I can actually believe that you would, Boaz.

>>If I ever stood for election, it would be on the grounds of what I really think rather than what I think the voters would like me to think.<<

On that basis, you'd be a shoo-in, I suspect. Especially if you chose to stand in an electorate where the twang of banjo strings still echoes faintly across the creek...

And I would help - I suspect CJ might give me a hand - gathering together the accumulated aperçus of Boaz_David and Polycarp, and binding it together with the wisdom of ALGOREisRICH, in a sort of neo-Little Red Book.

Except that it couldn't be red, I guess.

Any suggestions for a title, CJ?

Sorry Boazy - not interested in indulging your latest paranoid fantasies. I've probably had enough of your "insights" for a lifetime, thanks.

Besides which, Pericles' idea looks like much more fun :)

Now let's see... how about

"Prude and Prejudice"?

"Fear and Loathing in Melbourne"?

"The 'Lyin' of BOAZ_David"?

Any other suggestions?

Al all those code words you mentioned...
-Social Justice
-Inclusion
-Tolerance
-Fair society

are misleading. These are not socialist conspiracies but an ideal for building better mutually beneficial societies. Call it win-win if you like rather than the one-sided relationships that exist currently. The UN may not be the best place, but something needs to be done to even up the balance globally - it is not happening now.

Even Conservative parties use that rhetoric.

The differences might be in how the different parties/groups want to go about achieving those goals. Or how seriously they believe in better and fairer international relations.

What is wrong with a party like the Greens, striving for fairer relations between rich and poor countries. The current state of affairs often leaves the poor not only poorer, but in many cases lumbers them with degraded environments no longer suitable for farming.

The biggest threats to freedom and democracy (more rhetoric words) is continued one-sided and imbalanced relationships with other nations. This only breeds discontent. But it keeps the war mongerers happy.

We reap what we sow.

Pelly

I'm quie aware that those words are noble in themselves.

But to me.. both sides of politics use them for their own nefarious and materialistic reasons.

Note the last 2 posts of CJ and Pericles.. see how they react to the idea of someone making a public stand on issues of conviction.

I stated that if I stood for election... I'd stand on what I believe.
Those to don't get out to the Melbourne Eastern Suburbs much and I don't think they know how 'our mob' feel about certain issues.

But then they would compile a list of things they feel are detrimental to that cause....exposing my 'darker side' :)
Well..if they want to wade though thousands of posts like a schoolboy wide eyed and plucking the wings of a fly.. that's their perogative.
But the last thing I want to do is become such a target :)
You want to know how CJ and Pericles would work ? here it is.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/

If you want to 'hear' how CJ or PERICLES would sound.. just look at that video where the 'ner ner' bloke gloating like a 12 yr old kid is Nick Lowles the HNH chief scumbag.

Fortunately for me ..I have no association with National Front groups :) oh..I know.. they would tie me in with the 'exlusive' brethos' :)

The difference of course is that I would bring out the same evidence which they are so loathe to examine..and it would make them look like the dills they are (if behavior is any guide)

But there are much better forums in which to make a point than making ones'self a target of HNH type campaigns.

Pelican...speaking of rhetoric :) I had a peek at Family First Web site.

http://www.vic.familyfirst.org.au/state.php

What we care about:

* Making our streets safer
* Better health care
* Improved public transport
* More affordable housing

All relative terms.

I guess that's how elections are won/lost... slogans.

People can only relate to such ideas eh.. "oh.. that damn train wasn't on time..and I was late for work"

*Improved Public transport*

Imagine this.. a serious campaign about "examining the scientific evidence for climate change and why you are being deceived" :)

Oooooooh yeah..that would fly... like a lead balloon.

Hi Boazy - I think you've got your Nicks arse-up.

"HOPE not hate" looks like a thoroughly worthy campaign that is dedicated to opposing the politics of hatred in the UK. I can see why you'd be worried if a similar campaign was mounted here.

If there's a "scumbag" in that video, it's Nick Griffin, rather than Nick Lowles. Griffin appears to be defending street thuggery by his supporters, while Lowles does a very good job of flustering the racist buffoon.