Hi Hazza... I must say I'm warming to this discussion

My model is very simple. (why the heck do we need 132 pages of Green BILL just for this ? ? ? OH OH...I have it.. because it speaks so much about the SOCIAL aspects and GLOBAL aspects.. grrr)

My PLAN.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3672

Tax based subsidies for Solar Panel/Grid Connect inverter systems. Subsidies would be based on bulk purchase of panels which makes the unit cost about 50% of current retail.

180w 24v panel approxh $1100-1400 each. Bulk cost more like $600.

SELF DISCLOSURE.. as I mentioned in another thread.. I am not 'in' that business but am close to it. No actual financial benefit at this point.

NO major party would go for this, because

a) Labor has vested financial interests/connections in forcing cap and TRADE on us.
b) Libs have the problem of being 'pro privatization' and profit driven. So would likely support profit making private concerns in the elec market. (BIG companies) I'm sure that when privatization occurred clauses guaranteeing the government would not shift the 'profit goalposts' too much would be there.

AM I standing ? :) Not as yet..and 'where' would be a closely guarded secret anyway.. but just look at the AEC vic marginal seats :)

Your point about infrastructure in public hands..YES YES a thousand times YES.....

[I'm even for a 'peoples bank' or some similar structure. (I must look closer at Credit Unions b4 deciding on this)]

BUT... with a strict efficiency model and NO Unionization of the workforce.. abso-bloody-lutely NONE.

The marxist GREENS would tell you about their long term plans as much as Adolph and crowd would spell out for the world their plans for Joos.

You need to know how to read the code :)

Look for

-Social Justice
-Inclusion
-Tolerance
-Fair society

in their policies.

etc and then look at Marxist idealism.

Look for "GLOBAL environmental and social justice"
code for
-REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH
-ACQUISITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY. (ALL)

did you read that Vancouver action plan bit ?

cheers

Yep- can't argue with that, your plan IS solid
(too bad I'm NSW as you WOULD have my vote.)

Anyway, I will check out your new references and get back to you with my feedback (I'm just relieved you're one of the few people here that does their homework and brings it into the discussion- it's the least I can do).

(as for Agenda 21- so far found some summaries only generally stating a mix of getting richer nations to try to help poorer nations build green infrastructure and manage their populations (however THAT is supposed to work out). Plenty of implications although I won't jump to conclusions (although I'd assume it's the same aid procedure they always use, only this time its' donating windfarms, panels and condoms- although to be fair, they do handle aid pretty well- it's just they're useless for anything else).

I am for rich countries actively helping poorer ones develop, just so long as I know how much help we're expected to give, and to whom and for what. ;)

Boazy: << AM I standing ? :) Not as yet..and 'where' would be a closely guarded secret anyway.. but just look at the AEC vic marginal seats :) >>

Go for it, Boazy!

One of the great things about Oz politics is that any oddball who can pay the deposit can stand for election.

I look forward to a campaign based on the philosophies you've posted here over the years, under various guises. There's just so much fascinating material that your supporters and others could bring to light in such a campaign.

I encourage you to affirm your convictions by standing for election in your own name.

Boazy for PM!

Hi Hazza.. thanx 4 ur support :) in principle anyway.. notice how the very next post was an almost hysterical one by CJ threatening to 'expose' all my 'thoughts' from OLO he has gleaned over the years:)

Naughty CJ..

If I ever stood for election, it would be on the grounds of what I really think rather than what I think the voters would like me to think.

So...perhaps in the eyes of Green slime :) there would be little chance of my getting up haha.. ooooh BUT.. it's never about 'winning' is it.. it's about PREFERENCES and what deal one can make for the 'oddball' vote of hmmmm *thinks*...maybe 251 yep..that would take one nearby seat and there are 3 others where the difference is much less than that.

Oh..let's not forget McEwen.. 25votes won it for the coalition.

Greens are benefitting from ..

a) Disillusioned labor
b) Young as yet uninformed people who don't YET understand the Green slime's policies.. but.. they will.

So..... I guess that's why BB wants the voting age reduced to 16 :)

"They are dumb... they don't know about our true agenda yet... they are still idealists..LET'S GET EM"

BUT....
I'ts amazing how people's eyes bulge when you show them what is really going on in the world of 'ClimateChange/Global Warming' and who is making the bigggg $$$ from it.

Boazy: << I'ts amazing how people's eyes bulge >>

I think you're mistaking people rolling their eyes with them bulging. Not that you'd notice.

<< If I ever stood for election, it would be on the grounds of what I really think rather than what I think the voters would like me to think. >>

So what would be your problem with them reading your posts to this forum over the years?

CJ.. bless you my son :) I'd read them MYSELF.

Except..I'd add that I have now modified my style to be more 'cautious' :)

Let's face it.. if you had done the same work (and I had used the same approach) as Sonofgloin... you would have reached the same inescapable conclusions.. and agreed with my position if not my style.

I would not like to deny you my absolutely non Islamophobic insights.. so..why not have a look at the link (65:4) and vid ?
Then you are in a position to declare my statements 'phobic' or rational.

So.. I'll even apologise for my 'brazen blunt sledgehammer' approach...in the end.. a 1000 lighter taps with the small hammer will still drive in the nail that a sledgehammer will in one whack :)

I will not however apologise for my conclusions.. as most of that which I posted was not from 'me'.. (which is why I was so confident, and often angry) it was from villains (oops..SCHOLARS:) from that faith.

Now...I'm seeking to use the tap tap method in exposing the Green/Climate change scam.
I had a long convo with one of the socialist groups this morning covering quite a bit of ground..including Climate change.. G20, Gore, Strong, capitalism etc..I was mainly interested in why they are so anti 'globalization' when it seems so "marxist" to be so.

She said it was because of the capitalist elements in Globalization.
Presumably.. 'socialist' globalization is fine with her.