Dear Proxy,

Obviously you haven't understood
my posting on that particular
thread.

Try again!

Dear Proxy :)

You have just experienced *it*

"stonewalling" from the foxhole.

MIKK

//This is all very interesting but I was trying to find out what people think the future holds in respect of more boats heading to Gaza.//

I suggest 'more commando's/bullets and choppers'

But there will be variations maybe.

*mines*
*Naval blockades*

As yet unknown, and of greatest concern, is if these lunatics calling themselves 'peace' protesters try to do what happened in Ramallah a while back.. and walk past a military blockade to Arafats H/Q.. one brain damaged American explained -the Israeli tank commander told her "you can't go there" and she said "What will you do if I do?"
He said.. "we will have to shoot you"...and she replied "Then shoot me"

This is ok to a certain point...where the Israeli's can weigh it up and give a bit.. but the situation or point will definitely arise where some (like in this case) people do get killed.
The next time, it might be worse.

In that case, it would not be a happy situation to be "Noticably Jewish" in Melbourne.

Example -Let's play 'BEAT THE JEW' on facebook.

http://www.fighthatred.com/recent-events/individual-hate/714-40-california-students-caught-playing-beat-the-jew-facebook-game

Or...let's run an "Israel Aparthied week" and (well read the rest)

http://thentherewaslight.com/542_breaking-propalestinian-security-toronto-university-threaten-assault-jewish-students-shut-head/

Can you show me ONE..just ONE example of Jews around the world who are 'attacking Palestinians' ?

Oh..I found one :)

http://www.zimbio.com/Zionism/articles/90/Zionists+now+attacking+Palestine+supporters

But the google search for "Jews attack Palestinians" brought up the first 6 entries as "Muslim students attack Jewish students"

Interesting.

Dear Al,

Be more specific and accurate in your searching.

Try googling:

"Israel's crimes against Palestinians."

There is plenty of historical material
available in the form of books, newspaper
articles, films, et cetera on the topic.
Ask a librarian for help at your regional
public library. The information is there
to be had if you're having problems
searching.

Historian Benny Morris wrote a book,
"Survival of the Fittest?" which may be
of interest. Then there's, "A History of
Modern Palestine: One land, two people's"
by Prof. Ilan Pappe. As well as
"The Birth of the Palestinan Refugee Problem."

If you don't know how to search the subject,
simply ask.

If you are worrying about what will happen next time, then here is my
scenario that I think likely.
Ships will sail from Turkey or Egypt.
They will not have a team of protesters on board, because I think the
masters will only allow crew. That is if they are sensible.

Senario 1.
The Israelis will demand to search the ships at sea. The master will not refuse.

Senario 2.
If they manage to enter the Gaza port and the cargo will be found to not
have embargoed goods in the manifest.
The Israelis may relent and allow further shipments.
Once the Israelis have gone to sleep further shipments will include
armaments etc.

Senario 3.
The Israelis will sink the ships, or possibly disable them with
gunfire.

I think some of you have short memories, previous attempt have have
had weapons and rockets on board.
If you were them, what would you do ?

Frankly I think there is no solution to this problem which was caused
when the Romans expelled the Israelis from Jerusalem in AD63.

"If the Arabs laid down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews laid down their weapons today, there'd be no more Israel." Benjamin Netanyahu

Yes, I support a FULL INQUIRY, held by an independent adjudicator, to look at the "evidence" and examine the probity thereof. The reported gunfire from the helicopters does not fit with the footage (from either side) or the casualties. It may fit if it were merely intimidatory, ie. paintball pellets, but not live rounds.

All the dead were killed with 9mm Parabellum Rounds from Pistols at close range, during the second assault - to free the 4 IDF members held below decks (as reported by the Al Jazeera Cameraman) presumably.

The fact only 9 were killed is incredible given the circumstances, I doubt many other armies could achieve the same. Of course, the use of pistols, ie. low powered weapons, would have kept the death toll down dramatically (low chance of ricochets).

The evidence from BOTH sides, verbal and visual, supports this conclusion (when stripped of hysterical crap). I suspect that is precisely what the outcome of any rational, considered review of the evidence would conclude as well.

Given the Helsinki accords and the Hague Conventions destroy the spurious "Piracy" charge, and the video from both parties show who started the violence, I suspect the "Peace Activists" have more to lose from an inquiry than the IDF.

The "Rachel Corrie" has been successfully rerouted to Ashdod, without violence (shows what happens when the "Peace Protesters" act peacefully doesn't it?).

Good, the blockade stands (legally a blockade is only legal while it is maintained, if vessels are allowed through it is no longer a blockade), so Hamas will not have access to shipments of weapons, explosives, etc.

So, in the end run, despite all the noise and idiocy, the "Peace Protesters" have achieved nothing but to throw the legitimacy of the IHH into open question. If they wish to keep funding the shipping of materials and supplies to Ashdod for the IDF to deliver to Gaza, they are more than free to do so.

Hopefully, this brings us one step closer to forcing Hamas to negotiate instead of trying to win world support through propaganda stunts and/or violence.