LOL Foxy,

I completely agree with your post of Monday, 31 May 2010 3:33:02 PM

You're quite right, Cornflower. To characterise all Australians as racists, xenophobes or homophobes would obviously be incorrect - however, I don't think I can recall anybody at OLO doing that.

Where I disagree with you is that I'd use the qualifier "many", rather than "some".

For sheer, blind cheek, Boaz, this one rates right up there with your best. That's pretty rank.

>>you are not able to separate the 'actual' teachings of Islam and the just criticism of them from the friendly muslim down the street, bless his heart<<

While you, I suppose, are doing just that?

Your idea of "separation" is precisely the same as your dear friend Proxy's, is it not?

>> Islamic “fanatics and terrorists” are acting in absolute accordance with the tenets of Islam.<<

The entire argument being, that...

>>the Islamic doctrine will continue to breed more [“fanatics and terrorists"] into perpetuity<<

and

>>Islam will never be reformed and will thus pose an existential threat to Western civilisation forevermore into the future.<<

Please explain to us all, how that can be interpreted as "separation"?

Wait. There's more!

>>...you appear to be one who would not condemn criticism of 'National Socialism' as a set of ideas.. as "tarring all Germans with the same brush".yet you DO appear to have this approach when Islam is criticized. This is at best inconsistent. <<

You know perfectly well that not all Germans were Nazis, whereas all Muslims, by definition, follow Islam.

So the inconsistency is, I'm afraid, all yours, as you tar all Muslims with the brush of Islam, then spread your fear and hatred of Islam as if it doesn't involve Muslims.

Also, the fiction that addressing your expressions of fear and loathing is somehow expressing support of Islam, is simply pathetic.

Your logic reminds me of the kindergarten cry of "you like Miss? Why don't you marry her then? Ner nerny ner".

But then, when I think about it, kindergarten is precisely the level of logic and perception that you bring to the issues. You gang up on those who are different, like some kind of re-run of "Lord of the Flies"...

"By the end of the novel, Jack has learned to use the boys’ fear of the beast to control their behavior—a reminder of how religion and superstition can be manipulated as instruments of power." Spark Notes

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/flies/canalysis.html

Grow up.

"We used to have some heated debates
in the past but always managed to agree to
disagree, and respect each others points of
view without resorting to innuendo and personal
attacks. Now there seems to be a
meanness and nastiness that's growing."
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 31 May 2010 10:02:21 AM

Less than 6 hours later.....

"Dear Al,
I fully agree - "self pity is not a good look,"
Neither is:
ignorance,
arrogance,
bigotry,
narrow-mindedness,
self-righteousness,
effrontery,
impudence,
prejudice,
intolerance,
fanaticism,
bias,
intellectual bankruptcy,
vulgarity,
unknowingness,
heavy-handedness,
graceless (sic),
gaucheness,
unskillfullness,
artlessness...
Go visit your local library,
they can help you with books on
"self-help" and "self-improvement",
to overcome those problems of yours."
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 31 May 2010 3:40:22 PM

Fancy that...
innuendo,
personal attacks,
meanness and
nastiness,
followed by a disingenuous, self-exculpatory (smile).

Foxy: the voice of tolerance and respect.

Pericles,
I knew you wouldn't bother reading the link:
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/27/symposium-the-worlds-most-wanted-a-%e2%80%9cmoderate-islam-%e2%80%9d/

Interesting response Pericles.

//You know perfectly well that not all Germans were Nazis, whereas all Muslims, by definition, follow Islam.//

The question is... those Germans living in the towns near the death camps... might not have been 'members' of the NS party, but they would be the moral equivalent of the 'moderate' Muslim.

Your post raised interesting questions.. it's probably the closest you have actually come to actually discussing the REAL issue of what Islam teaches.

I'm happy to have that debate anytime.. with either you or the RMIT Muslims in a public place..

Here is just one tiny morsel.

I won't say what "Islam" teaches here.. zippp..(that was my keyboard)

I'll let you demonstrate your integrity and open mindedness for all of us to see.

Please check this link.

http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/065.htm

scroll down to where the Arabic in blue background has an English numeral 65:4

Read the English translation (and the commentary if you wish)

then scroll down to *13 and read the whole paragraph please.

You will then be in a position to know what "Islam" teaches.

Far be it for me to pre-empt your conclusion.

Now.. notice..I've not said a syllable of 'what Islam teaches' on this matter.. you are invited to share it with us all.

Then..we can evaluate your understanding....and possibly discuss it.

I'll say one thing though..which I'm sure won't escape your notice..i.e.-that scholar links his conclusions to a very lengthy and detailed discussion of the companions views and the schools of jurisprudence about the issue.(which I won't name)

-not a peep out of me.

I would rather see your considerable 'ferret' skills utilized in a more beneficial discussion about Globalization, Collectivization and the UK economy.