CJ Morgan,

<<Why do you hate Islam and Muslims?>>

Read what these Muslims have to say about your illusion of a moderate Islam:

Tawfik Hamid, an Islamic thinker and reformer who is the author of Inside Jihad: Understanding and Confronting Radical Islam. A one-time Islamic extremist from Egypt, he was a member of Jemaah Islamiya, a terrorist Islamic organization, with Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who later became the second in command of al-Qaeda. He is currently a senior fellow and chairman of the study of Islamic radicalism at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies.

M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D. is the President and Founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD). A devout Muslim, he served 11 years as a Lieutenant Commander in the United States Navy. He is a nationally recognized expert in the contest of ideas against political Islam, American Islamist organizations, and the Muslim Brotherhood. He regularly briefs members of the House and Senate congressional anti-terror caucuses and has served as a guest lecturer on Islam to deploying officers at the Joint Forces Staff College. Dr. Jasser was presented with the 2007 Director’s Community Leadership Award by the Phoenix office of the FBI and was recognized as a “Defender of the Home Front” by the Center for Security Policy. He recently narrated the documentary The Third Jihad, produced by PublicScope Films. His chapter, Americanism vs. Islamism is featured in the recently released book, The Other Muslims (Palgrave-Macmillan) edited by Zeyno Baran.

Read what they have to say and then tell me what are the chances of "moderate Islam" winning out against Islamism.

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/27/symposium-the-worlds-most-wanted-a-%e2%80%9cmoderate-islam-%e2%80%9d/

You didn't answer my question, Proxy. Nor, incidentally, did you acknowledge your dishonesty - much less do the decent thing and apologise for it.

Why do you hate Islam and Muslims?

CJ Morgan,

You haven't disappointed.
I did not expect that you would bother reading what two Muslim experts have to say on the unlikelihood of Islam ever becoming moderate.
Why would you deliberately risk undermining your own uninformed weltanschauung?
If you had read the article you might have understood my viewpoint, which is that Islam will never be reformed and will thus pose an existential threat to Western civilisation forevermore into the future.
The only realistic response to that threat is isolation and constant vigilance.
Unfortunately, many Western governments are not even at the threat recognition stage.

PELLY

in your post you included one bit from Stevens as follows:

//like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offense.//

Just making a point of order that 'The Gospel' has nothing in it about unrepentant apostacy being a capital offence in THIS life.

That is the critical difference between Islam (which involves a 'State') and Christianity which can exist withIN any State.

You need only to refer to the links/reference provided by Proxy to see this.

But as to your point

"If indeed the Koran advocates the killing of another human being then yes it is abhorrent"

*shock* errr you haven't read it..have you :) just try this link and the picture will become abundantly clear within 5 verses.
http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe009.htm

Form your own conclusions.. take context into account, the immediate and the bigger..I can help with some historical background if you like... or this might help.

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/maududi/mau9.html

I'd be quite interested in your conclusion if you do read the material.

Regarding whether Stevens 'once but no longer' espouses such views ? yep.. a labor or green bloke talking there :) they put terrorists and bombers into high office in left wing governments.. as if nothing had happened.

Check THIS OUT...

BILL AYERS..BOMBER
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974.

The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

ANGELA MASON
We already know about the Lesbian terror supporter on the UK "equality" commission.

As I said..they are crackheads mate.

Let's look at some facts:

1) On feb. 21 st, 1989 Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
delivered
an address at Kingston Polytechnic (now
Kingston University) in London in which he stated
that Salman Rushdie's book was blasphemous and that
under Islamic law:

"Salman Rushdie, indeed any writer who abuses the
prophet or indeed any prophet under Islamic law,
the sentence for that is actually death..."

2) Yusuf clarified that a death sentence can only be
carried out by the authority of a court in an
Islamic society and that he is opposed to anyone
taking the law into their own hands by murdering
Salman Rushdie.

That was over twenty years ago.

Let's look at Yusuf Islam today...

3) On 10th November 2004, Yusuf Islam was presented with
a "Man of Peace" award by the former USSR President
Mikhail Gorbachev for his dedication to promote peace,
the reconciliation of people, and the condemnation
of terrorism. The ceremony was held in Rome, Italy,
and was attended by five Nobel Peace Prize Laureates.

4) On 15th Feb. 2005, a British Court ruled that
both, "The Sun" and "The Sunday Times," (British
newspapers) had defamed Jusuf Islam by publishing
false statements about him. Both newspapers acknowledged
that Yusuf Islam has never supported terrorism and that
to the contrary, he had recently been given a "Man of
Peace" Award.

Yusuf Islam donated the financial award given to him by
the court to help orphans of the Asian tsunami.

Yusuf Islam lives in London with his wife and children
and has founded the charities, "Muslim Aid," and
"Small Kindness" to assist African famine victims.
Also most of his royalties from his available albums
are also donated to charity.

Should he be barred from Australia?
On what grounds? For something that was taken out of
context over 20 years ago - which he clarified?
I don't think so!

No Foxy.. not because of something 'taken out of context' but for the actual meaning of what he said...which you yourself quoted but obviously it flew over your precious head and right by you.

"In an islamic country..under Islamic law"

Now..foxy.. don't you find that in itself ABHORRENT ? because you (as with others) jolly well should!

We are talking here of KILLING a person in the most horrendous and blood soaked manner for simply uttering "May Muhammad be cursed" for example.

Now..would YOU like to have your throat cut for just one sentence?

That aside.. let's unpack Stevens treachery further.

a) He is a Muslim.
b) As such he is obliged to work toward the creation of an Islamic state.
c) If that Islamic state ever comes to be, Foxy would get her throat cut if she insulted Muhammad.

It's worth reflecting on Foxy.

ps..this is the point where you say "I'm not going to discuss this anymore" :)