Lmfao CJ. You're right!

Yes mate - it's enough now hey.

Onward and upward to other topics for me :)

Houellebecq:"Does that mean if a player drinks Chardonnay in a cafe in his own time he is threatening football culture even if he has a beer like the rest of them after the match?"

Now you're starting to get it. It's a matter of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do. For example, when you attend a social studies department, it's politeto pretend to be not very clever, even if you DO know more than one way to tie your shoes. And using logic is right out...

Houellebecq:"Once anyone spots them drinking Chardonnay and it becomes known they are a Chardonnay drinker, no matter how many beers they drink in the change rooms, they're still imposing their Chardonnay culture on football?"

No and noone has said that, not even Akermanis. He simply said don't make it the principle characteristic defining you by coming out. Don't be an "activist". Don't rub our noses in your sexuality. If one of the consequences is that gay men don't wwant to pl;ay football, I can't see football suffering too badly for the lack. This is about what footballers want, not about what gay men may want. On the whole, any gay men who play football have been doing it since they were boys, They are comfortable in the cutlure in a way that people like Morgan simply can't grasp. I suspect that for some, possibly all of them the sense of acceptance within a greater whole is part of their motivation and they would not want to come out and place that at risk.

Why must one group accept another group within it merely to suit the political agenda of a third group?

Calling me homophobic or any other epthet designed for the weak of mind to avoid thinking doesn't change that, but it does illustrate nicely the hysterical response that Akermanis was subjected to by the pink press.

Morgan:"you're just being obtuse. "

Au contraire, old chap, I'm being logical. Calling me names isn't addressing my argument, but then, you never had much chance of doing that, did you?

benq:"the real reason has nothing to do with logic,as evidenced by his immature and abusive posts."

LMAO. "I can't find a logical hole in his argument so I'm going to stamp my little feet and have a tanty".

Welcome to the Forums benq, you'll find a wide, if not very deep audience for your antics. Next time, try to use a few CAPITALISED words for EMPHASIS and throw in a reference to misogyny and having a small penis. You know you want to...

In the meantime, your own "appeal to popularity" also fails, along with your ad hominem and the rather weak attempt to "poison the well". Still, not bad for an early effort, although you were a bit slow to respond to Morgan's dog whistling.

Morgan:"I think we've now reached the point in this discussion where reason has reached its limit"

It's only your reason that has reached it's limit, old chap. My logic is sound, as you would know if you were to ask someone who understands logic.

I recommend you also get to know a few foorballers and possibly attend a few games, maybe even switch the telly on to Ch 9 around 7:30 of a Friday night. Who knows, once you start to see them as human, you might even get past your irrational fear of them...

CJMorgan:"antieverything"

Oh dear, you're a one trick pony, aren't you "old chap"?

Thanks Pynchme

>> Seriously though, I don't know how you manage to keep your sense of humour.

How could I not? We have a group of people here who think that if I walk into a men's locker room, my ho-mo-sexual powers will reduce everyone else there to puddle of sexual anxiety. Apparently we need to protect the straight users of mens changerooms from the shattering experience of not being found attractive by any gay folk who wander in.

These posters have no idea how profoundly silly they make themselves look: "Men should also have a right to a desexualised shower room." Yeah, right, and that would work precisely how? Guys who find themselves quietly wondering about whether to take home oysters, champagne or both will immediately remove themselves from the changeroom?

And it goes further. These defenders of heterosexual male sensibilities trawl tabloid papers and antigay websites for ever-more lurid recounts of man-on-man action. What's that all about?

With jokers like these around, keeping a sense of humour is not the challenge; it's avoiding a seizure from uncontrolled laughter.

Woulfe

>> We have a group of people here who think that if I walk into a men's locker room, my ho-mo-sexual powers will reduce everyone else there to puddle of sexual anxiety. <<

ROFL

The gay super-power.

Cheers m'dear

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