Antiseptic how far do you take all that?

I get the logic that if segregated change/toilet facilities are important based on gender because people don't like being perved on (or having members of the opposite sex hear them on the toilet etc) and it's hard to see a good reason why those concerns are not as valid when the potential perver is of the same gender.

What do you do about it, what facilities would work for same sex orientated people (or bi) who might also have similar concerns?

Unless all public change facilities have individual stalls (with adequate room to get dressed in the dry) the problem would still exist.

On the other hand it's hardly homophobic to have those concern's, any more than it would be hetrophobic if someone expressed concern that their job required them to share shower and change facilities with members of the opposite sex.

R0bert

I doubt many want to know Jason's opinion on anything, and am looking for trouble but convinced he was right in saying do not tell.
I noted an next NRL player respected and gay, thought it was homophobia that drove Jason.
Jason needs to be extremely controversial to get air play and he is a big mouth with a small brain.
While sportsmen have shared shower rooms with every type of sexual person I never knew of any who perved there.

ANTISEPTIC...

your thread is a most interesting example of how 'right' is trampled into the dirt by 'wrong' and the only defense 'evil/wrong' can offer is ridicule and offensive odious mocking.

It's a pity such bottom feeders trample on the absolutely valid human right of a person to privacy from leering from perverted people of the same sex...

You make the totally reasonable assertion of the human right to dignity and privacy..and how does one poster respond ? Well he mounts his bulldozer/steamroller and puts on his peaked storm trooper hat and tries to stifle you with a personal attack.

The words used to describe you (Antisptic) are

-living in the dark ages.
-Rediculous
-Homophobic

All of which are completely irrational (and thus evidence of Smithy's own "Phobia") and possibly evidence of serious psychological problems.

I wish you well Smithy in getting help with those.. and hope you can afford the 'unscrambling of your mind costs'.. sorry I can't contribute.

Some posters seem to live in that twighlight zone of "black is white.. good is bad.. light is darkness"

All we can do is paitently tolerate and gradually help them.. post by post

This issue raises a host of other obvious issues that our society refuses to address.
It goes beyond the trite "well known lesbian Vicki Wilson (saying) that "maybe his "maleness" is a bit small" discourse.
This addresses/belittles the man-on-man discomfiture.
What about the man-on-boy issue?
It is the grossest of travesties that homosexual males are not expressly forbidden from holding down any jobs that put them in similar contact with boys.
eg.physical education teachers
scout leaders,
camp leaders (if you'll pardon the pun).
The law should prevent homosexuals from engaging in any of these roles,
for reasons which are obvious to all but the delusional.

Cornflower: The relevance of the Hopoate example that you didn't grasp is that intruding on someone's person doesn't need a change room. Blokey-bloke sports have always had a homoerotic element to them (see essay posted before re: homoeroticism and homophobia).

http://files.posterous.com/opieradio/ZtC6nXx85ELqGBftGhkWgTDQiDODGdt6eCWbgulUgtes1ppgzoc2YXedNgYK/IMG00482-20091020-0652.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1274578900&Signature=LG4Y9UyEEZnTCACtzDsVuGffWVg%3D

You might ask, "Whatever happened to shaking hands?", but I think it's understandable that men who are in close proximity, sharing the excitement of their mutual effort (to win etc); testosterone all up - can easily be drawn into physical intimacy. That's what scares the homophobes - they know how close they get to sharing sexual intimacy with another person of the same sex, but their social conditioning to conform means they are shocked and frightened by their own inclinations.

Heterosexuality and gayness - it's just a matter of degree.

Antiseptic: Just HOW do you propose that people determine beforehand whether or not their team mates are gay?

Btw there are locations in the public service where male and female employees (and sometimes members of the public) share the same facilities for their ablutions.

I just wonder when we as a society are ever going to get over this stupidity. The cruelty is appalling.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/gay-files-historys-grim-closet-20100522-w2t9.html

Btw: If someone feels uncomfortable in a shared dressing area; they can use a stall, or get there first or last. As I pointed out, however, nobody has been able to tell so far so I don't see why it's suddenly a big issue.

Hey gidday CJ - :D