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UK election...when trends are bucked.

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Let's dig a little deeper, shall we Boaz?

>>Aah...Pericles..I see it now. Err..that you are looking at very unrerpresentative numbers.<<

They seem pretty straightforward to me. Which begs the question, what would you classify as "representative"?

>>the BNP vote went up by 30%ish<<

Yes, it did. But slightly ahead of that statistic in the "representative" stakes might well be that:

15,437 more people voted in 2010 over 2005

Of those, 11% gave their votes to BNP, and 70% gave their votes to Margaret Hodge.

You suggest that those people did so because there was a "scare campaign" against the BNP. What, exactly, were they told to be scared of?

>>Talking elections (and the Quran) with you is like reading Dickens to a 2 yr old.<<

That's pretty rich. You live in the suburbs of Melbourne, and presume to be some kind of in-touch psephologist when it comes to a place about which you know nothing except what you read on neo-fascist UK blogs.

Three of my - close - relatives worked at Ford in Dagenham, by the way, two of them for their entire working life. Which is how I know the area particularly well.

And just to prove you know nothing, you give it all away with this...

>> 48,000 of Barking residents were Ford Assembly Plant workers<<

Absolute nonsense.

The entire Barking electorate - men and women - stands at around 72,000. Ford's workers came from several other electorates, including Romford, Newham, Dagenham and Rainham, and Hornchurch and Upminster.

Boaz, you cannot pretend to an understanding of UK politics from the sources you use. You are simply stirring. And this time you have chosen a topic upon which I can categorically state that you know less than nothing.

Stop reading all those propaganda sites, and broaden your reading.

And for goodness sake, brush up on your maths.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 23 May 2010 1:29:34 PM
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Dear Pericles.. thanx for that.. yes you did highlight one weakness in my argument..that I assumed all those workers came from the Barking Area. Fair point..I did indeed assume that.

But (this will seem crazy 2 u) most of my information came not from "neo fascist" blogs as you put it,- unless you consider the socialists so ?
One of my sources is

Searchlight

By far the largest employer in the area was the Ford motor plant in Dagenham. Most of its 40,000 employees lived on the surrounding council estates built from the 1930s onwards. As the workforce became more multiracial during the 1960s and 1970s, neither the trade unions at the plant nor the locally very active Communist party did more than make token gestures to tackle the racism among large elements of the white workforce. This led to outbreaks of violence both within the plant and on the housing estates.

Another source I used was a Socialist/Union history site.

RACHE.. that was a wonderful answer and very informative. We are actually more in agreement than you realize.

You mentioned that the Libs tend to be more self interested than Labor .. I would disagree there, as I intend to show in the Maurice Strong thread.. but I can't just 'dump' it all out there in one go.
Please drop in and see what you can offer.

Serious Question.
OECD cumulative debt is now > 100% of total GDP. (average)
Japan is 175% (the mind boggles) Australia is just 10%ish..

http://www.oecdobserver.org/cp/36/Private-debt-large.gif

Do you think Labor would have the balls to suddenly limit social expenditure and lose an election just to fix the economy ?

I wish I knew the 'Socialist Answer' to this which is why I asked you.
Now I see ur more like me... Maybe mr Morgan can help or Pericles or Wobbles?
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 23 May 2010 4:24:01 PM
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PERICLES.. "what were they told to be scared of"?

Just think of what a scheming socialist might say when they have a real fear of the BNP taking that seat and even worse..control of the council and of course the Urban Renewal money :) *drool*

Things reported (by BNP) "BNP will cut your pensions"

From HopeNotHate

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/

# The BNP would kick out all those people who were not born in Britain.
# If non-white people were ordered out of Britain then the NHS would collapse overnight.
# The BNP would introduce apartheid into Britain.
# Mixed-race relationships would be outlawed.
# The BNP’s answer to violent crime is to allow every household to have a gun.

Yep.. quite a scare campaign I'd say and all barefaced lies.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 23 May 2010 4:32:24 PM
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This didn't exactly help either.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/Nick-Griffin-an-apologist-for-Nazism
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 23 May 2010 4:36:41 PM
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"Do you think Labor would have the balls to suddenly limit social expenditure and lose an election just to fix the economy ?"

No but I think that the Libs will say and do anything and everything to get back into power, so they claim to "reinvent themselves" and "learn from their defeat" in some new way every time they ditch their leader. No long-term vision, just short-term opportunism.

As I said, historically they usually get thrown out because they cause enough fragmentation and dissent within society that people just have enough. Remember Hawke and his post-Fraser reconciliation after scapegoating the dole-bludgers? Do you remember what the country was like in those days?

Likewise Howard had his illegals, local terrorists, republicans and those inferred soldier-hating opponents to the wars. All deliberate political strategy to keep society fighting among itself instead of challenging the government.

They bring out the worst in people and use it to their own advantage.
Posted by rache, Sunday, 23 May 2010 8:45:51 PM
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Forgot to include this -

http://www.zen26144.zen.co.uk/resources/The%20BNP%20Uncovered.pdf
Posted by rache, Sunday, 23 May 2010 8:56:39 PM
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