Regarding how one culture should conduct themselves when integrating into a host culture, saint Ambrose put it well "when in Rome do as the Romans do".

I call it as I see it, stevenlmeyer.

>>Your refusal to acknowledge that Muslims are as bloody-minded as fundamentalist Christians about their beliefs, the mental gymnastics you engage in to avoid seeing the reality of contemporary Islam, tells me nothing about Islam but rather a lot about Pericles.<<

I can definitely agree that there are some Muslims who are as "bloody minded as fundamentalist Christians about their beliefs".

I however disagree that this permits you to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

I have worked in a number of Muslim countries, including Indonesia and Turkey. Not one of the Muslims I have ever met - and they would be certainly more than your 200 - have exhibited any of the traits that you ascribe to them.

My information has not been influenced by searching the Internet for sites that confirm my prejudices. Perhaps that's where you are being misled.

Foxy,
<<You know you're right because you've read
the "truth" in your holy book and you know
in advance, that nothing will budge you from
your belief. The truth of your holy book
is an axiom, not the end product of a process
of reasoning. To you the book is true,
and if the evidence seems to contradict it,
it is the evidence that must be thrown out,
not your holy book.>>
You're talking in riddles.
Which holy book are you talking about?
The Koran or the Bible?
I don't subscribe to either of these, or any other "holy book".
The reason I criticise the Koran and not the Bible is not because I have an affinity with the Bible.
Please note that I also don't criticise the Upanishads or the Bhagavid Gita or the Tanakh either.
I criticise the Koran because it is a dangerous document.
Its adherents take its evil injunctions to be literally true.
The literal word of God.
Unchangeable.
Forever.
It underpins the Islamic violence we see everyday in so many places around the world.
To compare the Koran to the Bible is unthinking stupidity.

StevenlMeyer

for insights into what christians talk about in forums..

why not look at some ?

Here's one :)

http://www.christianforums.com/t7459262/

"DaBronx" asks..

//Hi... I have a question about the Jews...
Hey guys,
Blessings in Christ Jesus!

I'm doing a study on world religions and need to know what does your religion feel about the Jews... are they still the chosen people... or do Christians and Christianity replace them?//

ANSWER..from "Anoetos"

We believe that the Church is Israel, not to the exclusion of ethnic Jews but rather to their inclusion, with believing Gentiles, in Christ, the sum of the Law and the Prophets.

The Church has not replaced Israel, Israel is always the Church and the Church is always Israel, but that now, in Christ, the wall between Jew and Gentile has been broken down such that Gentile believers are brought near and included in the saving covenant.

STOP PRESS! .. notice the belligerent "the wall between Jews and Gentile has been broken down"..now THAT should rate as a verry dangerous and violent comment..right ? :)

But I must confess..it sounds more like conciliation to me.

I'm sure someone could dig up something more 'dangerous' though?
(Pericles.. your good at that)

Oh.... I found this in Muslim Village Forum :)

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=58944

Topic: "RACIST MUSLIMS"
Asalamalaikum,

couldn't find a thread discussion on this so I figured I start one up. Alhumdolilah its great to see Islam spread with more and more reverts perse, but one thing that really annoys me and I mean really annoys me... Is the amount of worship 'white' reverts get compared to non-white reverts. Kick, scream and argue all you like about how Islam preaches peace and tranquility but i'm starting to get quite fed up with such erratic behaviour from muslims who say one thing but do another. I've seen it all too much in hajj and throughout my journeys across most of Asia plus from personal accounts from non-white newcomers to the faith. It astounds me as to why a white revert will be given so many perks yet a non-caucasoid will be given diddly squat.

COMMENT.

Seems 'White Power' is alive and well even in Muslim circles.

Well..what can I say ? :) at least the above is not violent!

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

wow..

-Racism
-Sexism
-Slavery

all solved in just one sentence. I'm sure my MARXISM 101 or Gender Studies said different......

ALGOREisRICH

The "Muslim Village Forum" website has long been a source of fascination and, above all, AMUSEMENT for me.

You may want to look at the "Lars Vilks attacked at Uppsala University" thread.

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=58882

Vilks is a cartoonist who drew Muhammad.

The thread was started by someone called "Kristin" who claims to be a Christian but argues like an atheist.

She(?) opens with a link to a youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdyKmzEdHws

Someone who calls himself "Gnu Ordure" tries to get the Muslims there to commit themselves. Do they or do they not agree with the attack on Vilks. Someone called "Randwiggend" keeps equivocating.

Then "toomuchnoise" weighs in with this beauty (post #89):

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Again, I applaud it [the attack on Vilks].

Reminder for Muslims, from the noble book, Al Shifa of Qadi Iyad:

The following a fiqhi and qawa'id rulings.

"Know that all who curse Muhammad, …or blame him or attribute imperfection to him in his person, his lineage, his deen or any of his qualities, or alludes to that or its like by any means whatsoever, whether in the form of a curse or contempt or belittling him or detracting from him or finding fault with him or maligning him, the judgement regarding such a person is the same as the judgement against anyone who curses him. He is killed as we shall make clear. This judgement extends to anything which amounts to a curse or disparagement. We have no hesitation concerning this matter, be it a clear statement or allusion."

"… All of this is the consensus of the 'ularna' and the imams of fatwa from the time of the Companions until today."

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Muslim Village even has their equivalent of our own OUG. He calls himself FatBoyMuslim. Here is one of his contributions (post #99):

EXCERPTS

"i would love it if those guys got into a head on collision with a muslim's 16-wheeler and if their corpses were plastered on the asphalt like worthless roadkill.

"i really hope they get into a traffic accident and die inshallah ya rabb."

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I especially follow FatBoyMuslim's posts