DreamOn,
<<So what's your message *Porky?* How do you break it all down? Do you perhaps assert that the Prophet of Islam is a looney and sufferer of hallucinations who gave birth to a bigoted, crazed, religion?
Equally, institutions are full of those who claim to be Jesus or a disciple of significance, who all burn with the inner fire of needing to preach the word to the heathen that they may be saved.>>

You say <<Equally>> but there is a minor flaw in your analogy.
The latter are recognised as delusional and are not taken seriously.
The former, after 1400 years, still commands allegiance until death from hundreds of millions of followers, many of whom are willing to kill in his name.
Apart from that small detail, they're much the same.

Posted by Proxy, Thursday, 20 May 2010 10:36:23 AM
" ... The latter are recognised as delusional and are not taken seriously. The former, after 1400 years, still commands allegiance until death from hundreds of millions of followers, many of whom are willing to kill in his name. ... "

Oh I don't know *Proxy* but I suspect if certain individuals started preaching violent retribution against the infidel in Australia they would soon enough be locked up, and further that some people regarded as delusional in Australia would likely receive honour in other parts of the world.

How does it go?

"A Prophet is not without Honour except in His own Home."

Hmmm ..

And can we really equate modern Islam or Christianity with its current day expression. Things evolve, and I enjoyed *Foxy's* last contribution, with some of my Demons shrinking from the mirrors held up.

Certainly as you well know the activities of the Church such as the Crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of Women to name but a few surely cannot be considered to be expressions of the Christ God.

Every society has mechanisms by which they can be harnessed up for war, which obviously vary depending on culture etc. Its a bit like the multi headed mythological Beings from the Hindu pantheon, which present differently according to the nature of the entity that comes before them. So, if you arrive with malintent, you are likely to get a dose of Kali Ma, but if you interact with Love and Compassion, a different face accordingly.

Certainly the kill ratio is vastly more dead Islamists than Westerners and I for one do not simply view the activities of the West as all peaches and cream.

I forget all the 4 Greek words for Love, recalling but Eros and Agape, but do recall that one also is Love of Country. There are not so many who are prepared to stand up for what they believe in the face of the Will of their Family, Friends and Country.

Consider the activity and fate of *Lawrence* both before and after Arabia.

Dreamy

EROS (erotic/sensual)
PHILEW (philial love)
AGAPE (divine..not related to any merit in the object of that love)

just 3 I think

On the preaching etc.. you might do well to listen to some sermons from Sydney some time :) you probably know which 'faith' I'm talking about.

Hillsong is about as dangerous as a wet lettuce leaf. (physically at least) gee..I suppose you could always slip on one of them eh :)

Dear AG,

Perhaps you should (to maintain some
sort of balance) also read Christopher
Hitchen's book, "The Missionary Position:
Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice."

Or listen to Randall Terry, founder of
Operation Rescue, an organisation for
intimidating abortion providers in the US.

"When I, or peole like me, are running the
country, you'd better flee, because we will
find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you.
I mean every word of it. I will make it part of
my mission to see to it that you are tried and
executed..." Terry was here referring to doctors
who provide abortions, and his Christian inspiration
is clearly shown by other statements:

I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash
over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash
over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a
Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called
by God, to conquer this country. We don't want
equal time. We don't want pluralism. Our goal must be
simple. We must have a Christian nation built on
God's law, on the Ten Commandments. No apologies."

The ambition is to achieve what can only be called
a Christian fascist state is entirely typical
of the American Taliban. It is an almost exact mirror
image of the Islamic fascist state so ardently
sought by religious extremists in other parts of the world.

Randall Terry is not - yet - in political power.
But no observer of the American political scene
can afford to be sanguine.

Perhaps AG, you could start a new thread on Randall
Terry?

Foxy quotes:

We have a Biblical duty, we are called
by God, to conquer this country. We don't want
equal time. We don't want pluralism. Our goal must be
simple. We must have a Christian nation built on
God's law, on the Ten Commandments. No apologies

That's indeed scary stuff Foxy.
Fortunately we have the New Testament and Acts 15 which stipulated the limit of the Mosaic law to be applied to Gentiles.

If Randall Terry chooses to ignore it.... not much I can do except demonstrate the 'un' Christian nature of his position.

If he get's elected into power.. it would only be by the 'we the people' saying so..and if they choose to put him there..to quote one of my favorite recent quotes of yours "what is that to us" :)

Good for NYC council.. Good for Randall Terry's political future eh ?

However..for your comfort...I cannot see any serious Biblical Christian supporting such a person or program. I sure wouldn't.

I'll spare you the detailed unpacking and analysis of Terry's quote.. you have a New Testament.. just read it please.
blessings.
AGiR

Plenty killed by the those claiming to be Christians in the past but not nearly as many as Stalin, Mao and now abortion all in the name of no god.