What astounds me is the extent to which people will go to erect concentric circles of denial around Taj Al Hilali. This is a man who holds the highest office in Australian Islamdom. His opinions do not exist in a vacuum they are in fact representative of the entire muslim world's stance on matters of rape. They were the views of his father and his mother. They are also the views of his children and the 10,000 muslims who protested his being censured outside Lakemba mosque soon after his first round of pro rape statements were exposed.

Taking for example France which is destined to demographically enter the Islamic world within the next four decades a hobby has emerged amongst the Islamic youths of the growing slums called "tournantes" which roughly translated into english is called "the turning". It is a slang expression for gang rape. At least initially this phenomenon in France was confined to Muslim women who made the unfortunate choice of trying to pursue a hijab free western lifestyle. Increasingly it is being directed at western women in France owing to the offenders ability to retreat to anyone of the 2,500 no go Muslim zones that the French police find impossible to enter. If you don't believe me check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CltFn/Samira_Bellil
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20646

Leigh, thank you for this thread.

I agree with you that this mufti should be given the boot by the Lebanese community. I’m sure they can find someone better to represent their community.
Is Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali too stupid to realise that he may be damaging the Muslim society by these comments?

I’m pleased to read that Australian Muslim communities are distancing themselves from the sheik. Now our government has to do something about him, too.

However, we should take care not to blame Muslims ‘as a group’ for al-Hilali’s comments.
Too many Australians are anti-Muslim; stupid and unsubstantial comments this Mufti has made do not encourage other groups in Australia to respect the Muslim community.
For this reason al-Hilali should be booted out.

I have said in other threads on OLO that I do not feel adversity towards the Muslim religion as such- it’s individuals like Hilali who should be pointed out as ‘bad apples’ and dealt with. And this Mufti is a bad apple.
That Muslims have more right to be here than those with a convict history is just as a ridiculous statement as the comment that Australian women are comparable with meat.
This moron is a repeat offender. I think it’s best if we don’t take this moron seriously.

The ‘group’ of Muslims has no more right to be here then groups of groups with a convict history, and vice versa.

Whether someone has the right to be here or not should be based on his/her individual circumstances and not the group s/he belongs to.

Spendocrat: Hehe, I like your logic ;)

Leigh said: "The silliest part of the latest outburst in Egypt is that a mere 3% of Australians have any connection at all to convicts."

Another convincing reason why potential citizens need to take an Australian history test.

Celivia, your a fool if you dont think we have more rights to this country than muslims.
Ever been to the war memorial, we earnt the right to this land its ours and I for one dont care how they came here . My grandfather was beheaded by Japs fighting for this country in PNG,WW2. The sacrifices of the old fellows means that we do have more rights, that was thier legacy to us and now we have a breed from within trying to sell that legacy to the dregs of dyfunctional countries who want a place to breed and live off us like the parasites they are.
Spendocrat Im assuming your parents didnt have sex in this country. Otherwise you might actually care what happens here or perhaps you dont plan to breed so its of no conseqeunce what happens after your gone. Some of the posters in this forum are a bunch of oxygen thieves you know who you are.
We should leave Hilali in place im thinking, that way at least we can get an accurate account of what muslims think of us,probably the only immigrant poobag the left cant alighn itself with but they have tried.
Trad should be kept there as well its always funny to here how he is going to defend his nutbag boss

Well said, Runner. Unfortunately the Liberals have also let us down – all mouth and trousers - and Amanda Vanstone is a complete dud as Immigration Minister. The Liberals caved into their lefty backbenchers.

No, Scotty. It appears that the government will do nothing until it is too late. I hope though that we will not have more Cronullas, but that sort of public action is always on the cards.

Tapp,

Another thing we agree on. There is really no such thing as the Mufti of Australia as this nutter styles himself, incidentally.

With any luck, he will see or hear Australian news in Egypt and decide to stay there. We cannot expect any action from JH and Co.

Unfortunately, CG, I think he now is a citizen. But, if governments have the guts and the backing of the people, they could soon enough take that away from him.

Yes, Homefront. You have taken the trouble to find out for yourself that there really is a great deal of difference between them and us, no matter what the deniers and apologists say.

Celivia,

I would like to think that we could separate Hilaly from most Muslims, but Islam and its practitioners play their cards very close to their chests, and it is impossible to take them at their word.

Glad that we have agreed on something, though :)

Cheers, glad someone likes it...

I hate when the word 'rights' gets thrown around so disposably.

People kind of forget what human rights are. We have a right to live the life we choose, yes and live in peace, totally, but no one has more of a right to land than anyone else - how can anyone actually own land? We belong to the land. Not the other way round. Just because we're smart enough to write up bits of paper to say we own land doesn't make it any more true. We're still just decaying matter like everything else.

The other point is - if you accept you have a right to land, with that right comes a responsibility: in this case, to share your incredibly good fortune (pure luck of where you were born gave you the life you have. You didnt earn it) with those who weren't so lucky. You cant hold your rights to your chest and ignore the responsibility, they are inextricably intwined. Otherwise its called...um...greed, I believe :)

Yes, and that hooby jeeby guy is a moron. Doesn't take a genius to realise that. I suggest ignoring stupid people. Relax. Giggle, shake your head: 'geez some people are idiots', and get on with appreciating your own good fortune.

I wish I could say: Appreciate it NOW, or it'll be given to someone who will appreciate it properly. Unfortunately life isn't that fair.