Thanks Foxy.

I reckon that many people have lost sight of the fact that Abbott was a senior minister in the Howard ministry and had a hand in what went down over those dark, wasted years. Abbott hasn't changed a jot either.

I would like to see some new blood in the Liberal ranks and a bit of soul-searching about policy, not just how to be tricky to get back in.

I note and surely others do too? some who say my opinions are forced on me by my party affiliations are never seen talking about the problems in theirs.
And quotes like crystal ball in reference to my predictions but failure to explain why I am wrong are funny.
Abbott first bought true Conservatives back to him.
Then in fear and with some help from Rudd's back down and some failures from his lead weight ministers like Garrett the fear factor dropped Rudd's polls.
However most went to greens and surely the Abbott say nothing do nothing speech last night is about to drop his polling?
Rudd has lost ground, but understand Rabbott stood in the Parliament and called Rudd WEAK because he did not continue with the very ETS Rabbott killed.
Rudd has shown weakness but Abbott is lie.ing to us constantly.
He never ever will govern Australia.
Liberalism is not dead but it hides until its chance comes one senator may say what he wants but Minchin paid the price for piracy of his party's direction, Abbott has his bill but it is not yet time to pay, it is coming.

Dear Thinker,

I think we all share your concerns very deeply,
however, I still feel that the current Government
should at least be given a second term to do
what they say they will. Then we can judge.
It's too early to do that after only one term.

Dear Cornflower,

We're on the same page with this issue.
I fully agree with what you're saying!

Hehe, I didn't think that Foxy could answer my umm hard question :)

Its ok Foxy, it might be solved now. 7 News tonight reported that
even Hawkey is suggesting that they ditch Kevie and bring in
Julia. That's not a bad suggestion, methinks Kevie has passed
his use by date and should be put out to pasture.

Labor would certainly stand a better chance. Kevie has just
made way to many stuff ups to deserve another chance.

Abbott would need to be recycled as well having again wilted before his shadow cabinet over his looney $10,000 grant to stay-at-home mums. How is that for a big spender and reminiscent of the Howard days? He tried to conceal it too.

It is barely eight weeks since Abbott got rolled over his six-month parental leave plan where he offered to to pay for parents at their current salary, up to a ceiling of $150,000.

Then there are Abbott's many gaffes in the recent past where he continually put his feet in his mouth wanting to be called an iron man, his advice to women to retain virginity and so on. The man needs a minder. God knows what he would sign Australia up for at the behest of the US State Department if he was ever let loose in the US as PM. He is a wild man and erratic, good for mug-cheeky shots but a disaster if judgement or sensitivity is ever called for.

The Liberals really need to return to grass roots and get some new blood and new ideas. Put the old war horses out to pasture, or preferably to the knacker's yard.

Yabby by the time Hawky as you call him was overthrown, few within the party thought of him as one who we need to hear on every issue.
He was not unlike Rudd he sought popularity and the spotlight.
In my view then and now he hunted it.
Maybe Rudd has more substance, more plans for achievable reforms.
He too however as a disruptive senate far from reality and a stolen Conservative movement at war within its self.
That war, hidden at present but actively being fought, will come to be seen by all after Abbott is rejected by the electorate.
After that takes place KNOW some who today claim a victory that will not come for Abbott will say they knew all the time todays polls are while a warning not Representative of the electorates voting intentions.