Belly,

The issue really is more that the unions treated the labor party differently. If this had been a liberal initiative, there would have been loud and open protest. As their labor allies were involved, the response was considerably muted.

As more evidence piles up that the labor ministry involved had plenty of advance warning, the unions are still quiet.

Obviously getting Labor elected is more important than their workers.

So what about the fact, widely reported, that deaths and fires in the insulation industry per 1000 installations have fallen under the governments scheme. They introduced training and licensing where previously there was none. The problem of shoddy insulation installers has been around since way before rudds program started.

How does it feel to be taken for suckers by the libs and their dissembling?

What started out as a bit of Union bashing by Tapp, the facts have come out, and its egg on face for Tapp. I stand corrected but I suspect much of this work was being done by our friends in Small Business, who love to use non union labour, and as for safety, they are all for it as long as it doesn't get in the way of profits.

Paul1405

What facts are those

This is not about union bashing

The facts are that labor blamed the liberals for what happened at beaconsfield and one could also look at another discussion regarding that matter.

Also since the unions were involved with the insulation scheme, but then when every thing turned around , not one word from the unions, as with beaconsfield it was on and the unions blaming the liberals.

As with Belly the only thing that interests him is the labor party and as such it doesnt matter what the labor party does, such as heiner,ocopolas, and now in penrith he doesnt care, so will always stand by his master.

Small business dont know what your talking about there but where were the unions and how much more will the people believe regarding the unnecesary deaths which were caused by the incompetent labor party.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent

Just as I asked rechtub to read TAPPS post history I invite him to read mine.
And shadw minister you know far better, you too charge me with blindly supporting my party, and you know that is a Lie.
Stuart you never once saw a word from me in support of the lady from Penrith.
You never will, she joins a large group of failures and criminals, who while in Parliament representing my party,,,,betrayed it and its founders.
Open eyes and minds know I have said the impending defeat in NSW of the ALP is unavoidable, bought on my party by rats in the ranks.
TAPP needs no truth no balance he truly thinks only independents should be in government.
As remote from truth as he is it is my view he could fit in with current federal conservatives and star.
My once proud NSW ALP my faction center unity, needs the flogging it is going to get, because without it we Can never regroup and clean out the rats and cockroach's who forgot the grass roots gives them that power they so badly miss used.
I challenge tall,, proud,, my opponents to let us see them in print so openly giving it to Abbott's pirates who took over a party, who polls or not can never be elected to govern us without change in direction and policy of slander and not much more.
I challenge TAPP to tell me how workers get rights without unions.

Belly

I have no said that i dont support what unions do regarding rights,

What i find hypocritical is that when there is something big like beaconsfield the unions were all over it.

With the insulation debacle the unions were hiding
as a matter of fact we havnt heard much about the unions and railway safety after a worker got killed
we also havnt heard much about the nurses in qld not being payed or payed correctly

Now there is a balance what goes for one goes for the other.

We have had combet talking about safety for workers but then he was also assistant climate change and enviroment minister, so with the exteme danger regarding the insulation debacle he has not said anything except the rudd government did this, did that, this is the greatest moral challange and so forth.

So when the unions start fighting for the worker without bias, then belly i might just take more notice.

Just like the unions regarding this new 40%tax on mining well it seems that those workers who had super have no lost $57 week by news reports due to this policy.

And the unions they back it. What do they back the labor party not the workers.