Now we have seen that labor did know about the extreme dangers of the insulation bungle, one has to ask what were the unions doing.
Were they still bowing to labor and by doing so knew that these dangers were extreme and the popularity of labor was more important than the safety of the workers, families and home owners.

Who do the unions work for, by this it is not the worker, and with people like shorten and combet, what were they doing nothing to ensure the safety of the workers.

So what we have is a party, the unions who have no idea but just keep lying to the people about what did they know.

Well they knew it was a extreme danger but dont you worry workers ,families and homeowners were just treated as collateral and any deaths from their knowlegde would just be denied.

So what do you think as this is now becoming national reporting in the papers.
Is this acceptable conduct, and acceptable policy.

As for my opinion it is not and this government should be held responsible for these deaths and fires.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent

Tapp
According to the whistleblower on 4Corners the other night lower level staff were warning about the dangers to senior management. Instructions back down the line were that job creation was more important than safety hence it was ignored.

What formed your assumption or opinion that unions weren't warning of the risks? You should really check your facts first before making unfounded allegations. Unions were up there with the industry sector and professional associations in trying to get the government to heed their warning about the risks.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/garrett-admits-to-insulation-warnings/story-e6frgczf-1225829442954

A quote from that article:
"Mr Rudd said Mr Garrett had his full confidence, as unions called for a complete halt to the insulation program and savaged the government for failing to heed their calls for tougher safety and training standards."

Was it not the unions as well who also assited with this and implimentation.

And where were the unions informing the people about this, hiding because it was the labor party.

They didnt stand up and start a campaign about how there was extreme risks.

The insulation scheme was suspended two months ago because of serious concerns about fraud and safety that followed the deaths of four young installers, 120 house fires and claims that up to 1000 roofs may have been electrified.
So far the government has committed to inspecting all 50,000 homes fitted with foil insulation and 150,000 homes with non-foil insulation. This work could leave little change from the $1 billion still remaining in the scheme’s budget. It's a disgrace.

Tapp my issue, is that you know this, and I know this, but so many of the disinterested do not. The media has given this incompetent clowns cloister a free run. The number of front pages and column inches dedicated to the Melbourne Storm issue in a week outstrips the coverage of the insulation fiasco where young lives were lost. Journos are left wing by nature but a little help from Kev like the $240 million tax break given to the tv networks in February we are unlikely to see the TV stations lining up to give him bad coverage now that he has showered them in such largesse. It's a disgrace.

Posted by pelican, Sunday, 9 May 2010 2:03:25 PM
Unions were up there with the industry sector and professional associations in trying to get the government to heed their warning about the risks.

Exactly right the unions hooked in. My issue is will Workcover go after the right guys. People who knew the consequence but went on with the pragramme regardless, and all for the goal of popularism, not philanthropy. The charge of negligent manslaughter could be brought against the PM, why not? They would charge you or I under similar circumstances. In Korea they gave the death sentence to a couple of developers who were aware of the use of sub standard building materials in a couple of high risers that collapsed when the earth quaked. What difference in law to the life taking insulation scheme.

Yes Tapp the unions did welcome the scheme but so did the industry sector. They may have assumed there would be competent implementation and that measures would be put in place to ensure safety and rorting.

The unions were not responsible for implementation.

The insualtion debacle is probably a lesson for all concerned, sadly too late for those who died as a result of hasty and poorly resourced implementation infrastructure.

I am also disillusioned with the modern unions as well, but not for the same reasons. More in line with Pynchme's comments on another thread where unions are no longer representative of workers but often collude with management for more political and career inspired objectives. The career unionist has replaced the solid union rep on the ground in many cases.

What makes anyone think that the insulation risks only came into being at the time of the government's insulation grants? Or is this to be just another political beat-up with an election on the way?

Both sides of government have been complicit in turning a blind eye to the corner-cutting, shoddy work and other abuses that are rife in the building industry. There is no compulsion whatsoever for builders and tradespeople to comply with the Building code, Australian Standards or manufacturers' installation recommendations. For electrical installations, the routine inspection of wiring in new houses and for major electrical work was dispensed with years ago tom provide cheap savings and should be reinstated.

Among other factors, it is the relentless rolling building boom caused by an over-enthusiastic immigration policy that results in the lack of skilled and properly supervised workers, low standards and shoddy work. Of course neither side of government has been all that interested in training young Australians or in retaining or retraining older skilled workers but that is another reason for upping the 'skilled' immigration numbers, as Rudd and Abbott would agree (but never admit to the electorate).

Another issue which i find hypocritical of the unions is their new campaign regard workers rights.

I would have thought that even though workers rights are important, the safety of workers should be paramount and any policy that does not meet this should be attacked.
But then again the unions attacking the labor party over the deception that has occured would not happen.

Jobs for the workers at the expence of safety is a disgrace, as it has been said there is a extreme issue of danger.

Even under workchoices, workers could go out on strike if they knew or though it was dangerous but this government failed to mention the extreme danger.

I regret that unions are being flogged yet again.
Both sides have blood, workers blood on their hands.
A knowledgeable person would know unions always fight for workplace safety.
And that both sides of politics are not letting unions get as much say as they once had.
And that standards in the building industry, under Howard and Rudd are policed poorly because unions are no longer free to do it.
However just for a second, consider if shonks did the work, caused deaths, who would work cover charge first?
The contractor No matter how bad had no right to kill his/her workers.
TAPP, Australian Peoples Party stood as an independent, got position one on the ticket, and had zero effect on the results.
Firmly kicking unions and workers some what blindly, blaming them for bad workmanship is strange untrue and of little use in investigating just who beside the minister should go.
Work cover? useless group in no way any help with safe work places until after a death.

Once again belly you got it wrong but this is what you do.

I ran as an independent, yes no 1 on the ticket got about 2500 vote and i was proud.
I was proud that i stood up to represent the people of charlton and not a political party.
And yes as you can see on the unions ad on telly having a go about workchoices, not about the incompetent labor ministers or the dudd rudd, oh no cannot do that.

Just like when beaconsfield happened unions blamed the liberals for these men being in the mine, when in fact since there was a safety issue they should have been on strike, and now labor government running the scheme but takes no responsibility for it.

The government is responsible as they did know that there was extreme danger and faults but hey the unions will just suck it up.

One thing belly at least i fight and say what i think and not just roll over and do as the masters say.

I am still wondering regarding the BER about how much of that money will automatically go into labor coffers by way of donation.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent.

Yes Tapp, similar union 'non-intervention' is being witnessed in QLD with the pay debarcle of the health workers.

Hardly a single mention from the union.

Obviously they don't want to rock the boat, esspecially as Mr Dud is nearing an election. That is if he had the balls to call one.

Perhaps belly can shed some light on why the unions are keeping 'tight lipped' about this outrageous situation, essecially when Anna Lie is off touring the world, along with her party goers, all on first class fares.

I got nothing wrong TAPP, and rechtub do you wish to be seen as some one who understands anything?
On first running across you here TAPP I found some interest and went to your Webb page.
At that time, you actively tried to recruit to your party.
Your post history, well worth a read, made no secrete you ran a party.
Now you could not get it up and running,,,so ran as an independent.
Stuart you did not do not represent those people,even with the donkey vote you did not win a seat never will.
I am aware if things others may just guess, but you live in a world that does not exist, are no judge of me,unions or politics.
Your charge against unions/labor at Beconsfield are at best, an invention, few understand often your slings and arrows are aimed at me.
It is true is it not that another once poster here got information about me and my workplace and used it against me?
KNOW TAPP your trade unionist father would have told you, no party no union gets it right all the time.
NO ONE USED Beconsfield to charge anyone, two great union leaders went and held the hands of miners and family's while I and a thousand others held my breath and sometime failed to hold my tiers back.
You do your self no good in ranting,rechtub please , just read TAPP post history, click on the little man under his post, then come back and tell me why you support him.
At every union meeting I ask, tell me what you think not what you think I want to hear.
Truth TAPP can not be defeated by hate and rubbish.

Belly,

The issue really is more that the unions treated the labor party differently. If this had been a liberal initiative, there would have been loud and open protest. As their labor allies were involved, the response was considerably muted.

As more evidence piles up that the labor ministry involved had plenty of advance warning, the unions are still quiet.

Obviously getting Labor elected is more important than their workers.

So what about the fact, widely reported, that deaths and fires in the insulation industry per 1000 installations have fallen under the governments scheme. They introduced training and licensing where previously there was none. The problem of shoddy insulation installers has been around since way before rudds program started.

How does it feel to be taken for suckers by the libs and their dissembling?

What started out as a bit of Union bashing by Tapp, the facts have come out, and its egg on face for Tapp. I stand corrected but I suspect much of this work was being done by our friends in Small Business, who love to use non union labour, and as for safety, they are all for it as long as it doesn't get in the way of profits.

Paul1405

What facts are those

This is not about union bashing

The facts are that labor blamed the liberals for what happened at beaconsfield and one could also look at another discussion regarding that matter.

Also since the unions were involved with the insulation scheme, but then when every thing turned around , not one word from the unions, as with beaconsfield it was on and the unions blaming the liberals.

As with Belly the only thing that interests him is the labor party and as such it doesnt matter what the labor party does, such as heiner,ocopolas, and now in penrith he doesnt care, so will always stand by his master.

Small business dont know what your talking about there but where were the unions and how much more will the people believe regarding the unnecesary deaths which were caused by the incompetent labor party.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent

Just as I asked rechtub to read TAPPS post history I invite him to read mine.
And shadw minister you know far better, you too charge me with blindly supporting my party, and you know that is a Lie.
Stuart you never once saw a word from me in support of the lady from Penrith.
You never will, she joins a large group of failures and criminals, who while in Parliament representing my party,,,,betrayed it and its founders.
Open eyes and minds know I have said the impending defeat in NSW of the ALP is unavoidable, bought on my party by rats in the ranks.
TAPP needs no truth no balance he truly thinks only independents should be in government.
As remote from truth as he is it is my view he could fit in with current federal conservatives and star.
My once proud NSW ALP my faction center unity, needs the flogging it is going to get, because without it we Can never regroup and clean out the rats and cockroach's who forgot the grass roots gives them that power they so badly miss used.
I challenge tall,, proud,, my opponents to let us see them in print so openly giving it to Abbott's pirates who took over a party, who polls or not can never be elected to govern us without change in direction and policy of slander and not much more.
I challenge TAPP to tell me how workers get rights without unions.

Belly

I have no said that i dont support what unions do regarding rights,

What i find hypocritical is that when there is something big like beaconsfield the unions were all over it.

With the insulation debacle the unions were hiding
as a matter of fact we havnt heard much about the unions and railway safety after a worker got killed
we also havnt heard much about the nurses in qld not being payed or payed correctly

Now there is a balance what goes for one goes for the other.

We have had combet talking about safety for workers but then he was also assistant climate change and enviroment minister, so with the exteme danger regarding the insulation debacle he has not said anything except the rudd government did this, did that, this is the greatest moral challange and so forth.

So when the unions start fighting for the worker without bias, then belly i might just take more notice.

Just like the unions regarding this new 40%tax on mining well it seems that those workers who had super have no lost $57 week by news reports due to this policy.

And the unions they back it. What do they back the labor party not the workers.

A BUILDING company and its bosses have been fined $470,000 for the death of an employee at an Apollo Bay work site.
Peter Miller died in 2006 after falling to the ground and being crushed by 10 tonnes of blocks and panels when a partially built floor he was working on collapsed.

The above is typical of the day to day tragedies that occur in the Australian workplace. Do we hear anything from the conservative side of politics, no, but when there is a chance to do some political point scoring, like on this issue, out pour the crocodile tears, the champions of the working class, please.

So where are the unions for the health workers of qld? Or, is it simply like TAPP says, they don't wish to rock the boat at this stage.

I think blind freddie knows the answer to this one.

Paul1405
but when there is a chance to do some political point scoring, like on this issue, out pour the crocodile tears, the champions of the working class, please.
It seems there are 2 standards here, one for labor and the other for the conservatives and independents.

I would have to say that due to beconsfield if it was just about point scoring and crocodile tears then you had realy fooled the people that you had actually cared.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent

TAPP seems upset that while those trapped miners lay underground life very much still in danger unionists came to help.
Most Australians, like me, live in hope fear and pain.
Grown men, me too quietly cry ed as we thought about the hell of their underground fight to live TAPP finds something that does not exist in that, he so very often does.
Read post two in this thread TAPP will not, he defames the unions who warned of the dangers.
rechtub, well QUEENSLAND HEALTH WORKERS?
From what hole did you retrieve that?
Your posts scream you do not are for any worker.
if I tell you all workers fight all worker have unions all workers ,,,,,why bother? rechtub join the Australian Peoples Party your understanding of daily issues is such you could be shadow minister for rubbish in weeks.
Greg Combe, defamed yet again here won the seat TAPP stood for, is doing a good job, 4 times the minister Garrett is, enough reason for him to be questioned by My lost opponent.

Stuart,

Didn't know anything about your APP, so had a read. Your stuff should appeal to the 'Bottom Dwellers', just what they like to hear, hangm' and hangm' high. Throw in a bit of flag waving nationism and some militarism, perfect mix. There was a bloke in Germany in the 1930's. he talked a lot like you, its all for the greater good, is it not?
I'll join only if I get a uniform!

Cheers Paul

After what i learnt about the labor party i would have prefered to have cut my throat that stand up and represent governments that support and hide child sexual and physical abuse.

Belly just the usual rant.

As a matter of fact personally i did not lose the election

The people have to contend with the following

placing asylum seekers in 4 start hotels at our expense
the costs assosiated with fixing the insulation debarcle, what we have heard its only 1.2 billion dollars that the workers/tax payers have to pay back for incompetence.

And as i said before you should read one of the other discussions refering to beaconsfield.

Also we havnt seen the unions jumping up and down about the qld health workers pay debacle.

What about the safety for rail workers, a quick message on the news and that was it.

Where are the unions,
why are they not getting into these governments.

These are questions for you belly what is being done.

Comet is nothing more than a yes man who would have known about the safety and danger issues with the insulation scheme.

Why has he not said anything, and if the gutless Combet thinks i have defamed him, then let him stand up and as i have already challanged him to a debate we shall see who is gutless.

I say what needs to be said not what the parties want you to hear.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent

tapp

If you were concerned about the good of the voters in your electorate and all Australians you would eschew the opportunity to play political tit for tat over corpses (Beaconsfield for the insulation deaths) and address the underlying systemic problems in the building industry such as cutting corners and lack of a formal requirement to comply with the Building Code, Australian Standards or manufacturers' installation guides (necessary for warranty).

It is a national disgrace that serious defects are apparent in many new homes. Just taking a few electrical examples, in an expensive (high level of fit-out) house that was recently completed for me:

- the rear protective covers had been omitted from all powerpoints, despite the requirement by regulations that safety covers be fitted where aluminium sarking is placed in walls, as was the case in this house. One slight movement of the sarking and the house would have been electrified;

- the protective cover was left off the power point for the electrically operated garage door. This power point was immediately adjacent to the roof access and it was likely anyone attempting to enter the roof space would have placed a hand or tool on the exposed 240V wires; and

- the installation of outside powerpoints was faulty and all took in rainwater in the first storm.

That is just talking about electrical faults in one house and the experience is hardly unique to it. But don't take my word for it, just go with a competent builder and inspect homes built in the last twenty years and look at the common problems reported by building standards authorities. It is a national disgrace.

What really was no surprise was the willingness of both sides of government and industry to quickly yank the covering tarps up to restrict the debate to the insulation scheme alone.

Cornflower

I didnt know that about electrical points so thank you for pointing that out.

Yes the debate regarding insulation had been pulled and as you have stated that the standards are set low.

This is a very important safety issue so one should ask how many people do not know this, i will also go around and speak to some electricians and builders about this.

Stuart

Stuart,
I'm a bit confused about your policies, on the web site Ozpolitic in docs supplied to them by you, you rant on about a whole lot of populist rubbish:

The Australian Peoples Party will;
1. We will take a tough stance on all crime.
2. Distribution and use of hard drugs is a criminal offence and will be treated as such
3. We will have truth in sentencing and equality in justice
4. We will ensure it’s the criminal that suffers not the victims
5. People have the right to defend their property and to be safe in their homes or on the street, especially our seniors
6. We will ensure that the appropriate powers are given to police to enforce the reduction in crime
7. We will ensure these officers will have the right, and that right is to protect and serve as necessary
8. Our Police are to be respected and if this does not happen then this offenders will be in contempt
9. Police Officers will have discretionary powers to remove unescorted, under aged children from the streets and return them to their homes or other suitable establishments
10. Police use to encourage road safety, rather than revenue collectors
11. Strengthening of Community policing initiatives by increasing the use of foot patrols in appropriate areas
12. Educational standards for entry into the Police Force and advancement in careers to be reviewed, taking into account life and work experience, relevant to policing duties.

Then on your official web site:
Police officers wanting to move between states should be made easier through a nation wide transfer system.
Traffic and road rules will become similar across all states and territories over time.

So whats it to be similar road rules or hangings!

Confused Voter

Yes confused

This was when i tried with a new political party so really all of that should no longer be there.

Policies
aged care
disabilities
immigration
education funding
Health funding
Defence
Sustainable eneryg

so if since you asked

these are my main ones, but the real question is

What do you expect from your pollies and what do you want them to do.

What are you policies

I am not here for you to represent me, but

but for me to represent you in government.

Belly, thanks once again for the rant!

Now, how about you answer the question?

Where are the unions that act for the qld health workers?

Stewart

Just one Education, your policy has 3 points.

1 A National Curriculum
2 One Education Minister
3 Teachers Pay

Now take The Australian Greens Education Policy, it has some 62 points
http://greens.org.au/node/771

I'm not saying you have to run off and vote for The Greens, like them or not they have a detailed policy on important matters. The Greens list 43 areas of policy, you list 8. Love them or hate them, they have detailed policy so you can be the judge.

My point is you have to put forth your policy on issues affecting people, and if on balance voters agree with you over the other bloke you get elected.

It is so easy to govern when your not in Government.

Paul1405,

Paul what was then is really irelavant so go ahead keep refering.

Now there is a lot and just because governments do something does not make it constitutional, you know those rules.

For a state to hand over education and health a referendum is required.

If the schools actually taught our children about the australian constitution there would be a rebellion.

Our states are just like mini countries and the commonwealth government is like the EU.

It is a political union between the states and the commonwealth but people are just told by governments how things go without checking.

Just imagine at hsc time all the kids got 100% because the teachers did want to check.

Yes we get what we get.

Now if people dont have any idea what they want changed or somebody to stand up for them that is fine but those i have spoken too have found that by me asking them and with me explaining I am there to fight and stand for them and not there to roll over for a political party and they have totally agreed with me .

But here on OLO people here do not seem to have a mind of their own.

The greens policy yes it is detailed but also a mix of education vs enviroment.

We do have a serious problem with our schools but due to the BER it really does show how incompetent these people really are and yes they would even believe that a shovel would cost $10000.00 dollars.

Do not, please take TAPP TOO seriously.
He haunted Greg combet, may still do, note Greg took over the bats issues after Garrett failed.
How then could he have known anything.
On a telegraph pole, outside Newcastle hight up too, a turned inside out beer cardboard carton had a political message.
It warned us not to vote Labor.
And begged us all, to remember the hight interest rates, imposed on us by?
GOUGH WITLHAM!
Rechtub do you understand QLD health workers are helped in their campaign by my union and two others?
Feeble bloke you can do much better in using workers problems to flog unions, given your post history it is you who rant.
I think I could craft a page or two of things Labor has got wrong, but not this issue TAPP mearly is unable to judge , look at his quote up the thread.
People in OLO can not think for themselves.
Now think about that.
Is anyone prepared to say that only TAPP can think for himself?

Belly

you have been asked question but have not answered
standard labor spin

when you quote belly make sure you get the quote right

It seems that there is no huff and puff regarding the qld health workers except here, so have they got their pay right from the labor government.

As Greg Combet was a assistant minister for climate change and enviroment, Belly to trying to tell me he was just shoved in a cupboard and was only brought out after the fact, and didnt know what was going on.

One also has to wonder what sort of disgruntled contractor decided to blow the CFMEU premises.

I take it we will see a lot about that issue.

Must be over insulation.

That right Combet said he was fixing it but then after companies bought up on stock rolled over and cancelled it.

People here in Charlton have a great deal of direspect for somebody who disregards them, so come on the election.

It seems the ETU is planning to split from the ALP how many more will follow due to this, and even the unions have said their is so much workchoices in the new system which labor and Rudd brought in , its a joke.

Stuart Ulrich
Having my say, not what i am told to say.

Independent.

That post tapp is a dogs breakfast.
Just look at it from an honest stand point.
You and rechtub inferred unions are supporting or even not fighting some wrongs in the QLD health system.
My absences here have been because of my private war, yes war, on NSW Public servants, and my at times blind government, relating to wishing to take jobs and give them to contractors.
Beneath the unknowing slander you and rechtub use against unions is real rage from real unionists against some party/government actions.
So bury the blind insults.
Stuart do you not know? not a single doubt exists bloke, Greg holds that seat as one of the safest in this state, he is liked, respected and doing a good job, his seat is as safe as ever.
In the whole of Newcastle only you could ask come the election with any thoughts he will not beat any opponent.
You can not get the numbers to register your party and the voters to win any seat EVER.
Much of what you put in print is just untrue.
I assure you I think for myself you harm your name in saying anyone who disagrees is brain washed.
Try winning a seat on Newcastle council, it has a rag bag lot there now and at least it gives you a chance to be heard.

Belly
the facts

seems that spin and denial of what is going on is getting just too much for you.

Combet has turned his back on the people of Charlton, but we should ask will he run again for this seat or another area for where his girlfriend is.

Just to look at his website telling us how much of a family man he is with his wife and children, especially since he had his affair.

Deary me facts are something hard for labor and the unions.

The greatest moral challange even from Combet, what has he done, rolled over no double dissalusion election.

So how much more spin can you spin out.

tapp please take a breath sit down and read my posts.
Have coffee or your drink off choice read them again.
It is you bloke who are in the lost world of SPIN.
Time and again, unable to convince me your views have merit you get the old dead useless tag spin out and heave it about.
Look first at your second last post.
What is it you wanted to say.
About the fire in the CFMEU head NSW office?
How did it add evidence to your anti union anti ALP rant?
Was the fire a crime? do you think the victim was wrong?
Is it a scandal or a crime?
What is your point?
Spin insults based on nothing are your tools not mine.
You seem to want to put rainbows in bags, plant spuds and expect to harvest pumpkins and blame the world if you fail.

Well belly doesnt like the truth, just running around blurting out a load of bull.

So was the fire a crime
lets see,
car filled with containers of petrol
car driven into CFMEU office
car set alight

How stupid of me how could this be a crime

Belly was the victim who drove this car wrong it is the CFMEU i dont know maybe you know was he.

I dont need a coffe you are really starting to act like rudd, lots of talk but no substance, no answers to questions

Labor party policy

tapp writing very slowly so you can understand.
The fire in the CFMEU office was a crime.
My question remains, I am sure you know no more than me,it took place.
Yet three posts ago, your posts, you hurled it in to and anti union rant.
As what? evidence? what bought you to take a news paper headline and use it to defame.
I am not a member nore would I EVER be of that union.
Now and again some one who has not seen your full history of silliness come to your support.
I could write and truly believe, one hundred pages of union faults.
A thousand about Labor faults.
But ten volumes about bad bosses.
A lifetime of reading about Conservatives faults indeed crimes against working class Australians.
I know my side is not issued with halos, indeed brains even for some.
You however rant and miss use information, you have no party affiliations other than The Australian Peoples Party yet can not get enough members to see it live.
And while all that is fact you preach to us that those who think following a party are blind?
I only come back to your threads to keep you happy, note you no longer offend me, I understand you need your hobby horse but consider your thought that it is me who is bogged down in thoughts others never will share.

Belly
still going on
I have no affiliations.
I am here to stand and fight . and represent the people not a political party.
Something you do not like.

What defame Combet that would be hard, he gives so much.

His girlfried
disregarding the people in Charlton
These are facts

The greatest moral challange even from Combet regarding the enviroment, but no rolled over
No Double Dissolusion election
I can post links even though you know these are facts.

Since the labor party are not concerned with polls rudd the dudd should be pm again just for belly as belly says he will be gloating.

Stange the people should come first not last.

Taking money from aged care
child care
nurses

But dont you worry or every one else me rudd will take and put into my own department.

And you want people to vote for this party again.

Rollover
do as your told
please sir can i have some more
We are happy to happy for labor waste money
We the taxpayers want to pay of this money even though from wasted and dangers policy

Please sir can i have some more

Hard to sift that lot tapp, can I ask this?
TAPP is it not true it stands for The Australian Peoples Party?
Do you still have a Web page for that group?
Are you still running TAPP?
no affiliations?
Tapp if you enjoy your posting, your verbal tennis, it can be much better .
Get a racket with strings in it.

TAPP Stand for independent nothing more
do i have a web page no

amm i running a party no

It is quite obvious you havnt been listening for a long time now

I am an independent
i am running and standing up for the people
so they can have somebody in government to represent them

I post here to post issues and concerns that others dont

i will fight and i will not be silenced

OK except that The Australian Peoples Party no longer exists, and you no longer sell it in a web page.
It once lived, you ran it, and had a web page.
As an independent in a very safe Labor seat, with a candidate parachuted in, you got 2.500 votes, from position one in the race.
Given the candidate has settled in running, is popular and hard working, in fact a star in this government, you will not maintain that vote.
So who do you represent? from about 5th spot in total votes do you claim to be the seats alternative?
Tapp once you filled me with rage, so often throwing half truths or nothing more than empty paper bags at others.
I note yet again three posts up you casually hurl a line about Greg's wife into the air, its in you to do that.
What did you infer? why? how could any one think the bloke has something to hide.
Yes I said I would never answer you again, but here in this thread others climbed aboard your boat.
So I came to rebut your claims.
I bloke know you may well too at some level your thoughts are unfocused your facts disjointed and your ideas? remote from reality.

Belly,
The only reason The Australian Peoples Party is not a registered political party is because it can't get the necessary 500 members to get regostration. So if you, and about 499 others join it will be all systems go for the APP. Who is Nathan Jones, any relation of Jimmy Jones from Jonestown? I'm still skeptical of who these people are, and what's their true (hidden) agenda. Do they just want to fix autobahns and get trains to run on time, or do they want to rule the World.

Belly
I did not bring up combets wife

but his girlfriend so that is a disgrace on you.
Combet had the affair and his children must really be feeling the pain as well.
This is something i know about.

Who is nathan jones i dont know

you know i would vote for labor but

This person would have to

stand up in government
act on what we say
reply to all corrospondance
Deal with issues like the HEINER affair.

but this from a party would never happen.

Tapp,
You say
"Who is nathan jones i dont know"
Nathan Jones claims to be the founder of APP as per their web site.

On Ozpolitic this was posted in 2007
Stuart Ulrich is organising a new party - the Australian People's Party. The following documents were supplied by Stuart and are being hosted on OzPolitic at no charge.

Australian Peoples Party by Stuart Ulrich

APP policing and crime policy

APP veteran's affairs policy

APP politician's responsibility policy

APP personal responsibility policy

APP constitution (0.1MB)

On this site this was posted
Stuart Ulrich
Independent
Posted by tapp, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:04:00 AM

Who is Steuart Ulrich, who is Nathan Jones, who is tapp?

Paul, I think poor old Stu's been gazumped by Nathan Jones, as just the latest in quite a succession of political nobodies who've appropriated the name "Australian People's Party".

My favourite was the Honourable Wally Norman :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_People's_Party

Thank you CJ its a bit like:

Peoples Front of Judea
Judean Peoples Front
The Popular Front of Judea

Monty Python's Life of Brian 1979.

We could have:

Australian Peoples Party
Peoples Party of Australia
The Popular Australian Party

Thanks Reg! (John Cleese)

Time I wander away from this thread.
My earlier out rage at TAPPS efforts often saw me behave poorly.
I learn some thing every day, open minds do.
It was the apparent support for tapp from some who do not know him that bought me here.
I ALWAYS will defend by party/movement against unfair insults.
However so Greg had an affair? gee the beggar!
tapp if the sex life of any politician was on display we would never elect any one, then again how many partners have you had? one night stands?
See you in your next diatribe sorry thread.

This was to show that if you wish to change the subject then i will play.

Combet lied to the people about being a loving family man
yeah right

Combet has a thing with denial.

So with the insulation bungle
the ber bungle
the asylum bungle

how much more money is labor going to steal from the people for polpularity.

how much more money will we have to pay back due to incompetent policy
how much more do the people have to take

how much longer will those who were raped a tortured due to the heiner affair will they have to go on.

how much longer do we have to wait for accountability , instead of dictatorship.

how much more