pax,
The same rigorous disputation.
The same attention to the facts.
CJ couldn't have said it more eloquently.
You're not CJ's sockpuppet troll are you?

Whatever helps you sleep at night is what I am :)

I don't need to offer any more on this debate as your own words show your ignorance. I take comfort in knowing the majority of Australians are tolerant and accepting human beings who judge a person individually rather than on their nationality, culture or religion. Goodluck for the future!

Sorry all, but I'm taking this discussion a little off-topic for a direct question to KMB/HermanYutic/Proxy.

Yesterday in another thread, you wrote:

>> Homosexuality is not my favourite subject.
>> My favourite subject is the global Islamic jihad.
>> As Australia pursues its multicultural death wish it will become increasingly Islamicised.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3592#86489

Irrespective of which is your favourite - homosexuality, Islam, incest, Barack Obama - you clearly put huge amounts of energy and intellect into your obsessions. You're across the conservative viewpoint on a wide range of issues, which is more than I can say for many of our conservative political leaders.

I get a bit tired of conservatives claiming that they're being shouted down by the forces of political correctness, when in fact the Australians publicly representing the views you espouse have generally proven themselves to be simple-minded (raise your hand, Pauline Hanson), or mercenary (take a bow, Alan Jones).

From the core of my being I disagree with everything you've written here, but I can see that there's a gap in this country's public discourse for an articulate, informed and honest neo-con.

[continued]

[from previous]

So my question is, if you really are concerned, indeed, if you genuinely love Australia, what are you doing here on OLO? Apart from enraging the handful of people who hang around here, your anonymous posts in these pages achieve nothing. If your concerns stem from genuine convictions, then it seems to me you have an obligation to air them in forums a little more transformative than OLO.

Or are you already spreading your wings?

[from the advance questions posted to the ABC's Q&A program http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/ for tomorrow night]

>> To Christine Milne
>>
>> Why is discussing muslim immigration despicable?
>>
>> Can you name any European country that has not had major
>> problems with muslim immigration?
>>
>> France has 10% muslims and 751 official no-go zones (muslim
>> enclaves) where where police, ambulances and fire brigade wont go.
>>
>> Why would Australia be any different? Why take the risk?
>>
>> Michael

>> To PENNY WONG
>>
>> Some Immigrants come here and do an horrific, abhorent, depraved,
>> digusting, inhumane, medievil thing.to Australian children.
>>
>> Those Aussie kids are disfigured and psychologically scarred for life,
>> have lifelong health complications, problems giving birth and will
>> not experience orgasm.
>>
>> Why dont you stand up in parliament and speak about this? Why
>> dont you ask why nobody has ever been prosecuted for this?
>> Why dont you give a damn?
>>
>> Michael

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/your-questions-box.htm

Dear Proxy,

Extremists exist in all religions.
There are Christians in America
who blow up abortion clinics. There
are 'rapture' Christians who yearn
for nuclear war because they interpret
it as the "Armageddon" which, according
to their bizarre but disturbingly
popular interpretation of the book of
Revelation, will hasten the Second
Coming. And yes, there are fundamentalists
who believe in the literal truth of the
Koran. But these people are a
minority. To tar all followers with
the same brush of extremism - is not only
foolish but bigoted and tends to suggest
a hostile agenda on your part.

You need to accept the challenge and get
beyond the labels and remember -
your bigotry
doesn't have to define you.
Open your mind!

Foxy,

According to Wikipedia, there have been 7 abortion related murders in 17 years, 6 assaults/threats in 6 years and 12 cases of property damage in 26 years in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
There is no doctrinal justification in Christianity for anti-abortion violence.

According to TheReligionofPeace.com, there have been 15,234 fatal incidents (actual fatalities far higher) attributable to Islamic fundamentalism since 9/11/01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
There is ample doctrinal justification in Islam for killing.

(There is also ample doctrinal justification in Islam for rape, wife-beating, child marriage, death penalty for apostasy, death penalty for insulting the prophet, etc, etc).
Estimates of deaths resulting from Islamic fundamentalism throughout history are around 270 million.
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

<<And yes, there are fundamentalists
who believe in the literal truth of the
Koran. But these people are a
minority.>>

Any minority out of 1.2 billion people is an awful lot of people.
Moreover the fundamentalists have Islamic doctrine on their side and are not afraid of wielding this like a sword over "moderate" Muslims.
How many of these will we welcome into Australia under the misguided dystopian policy of multiculturalism?

If, in the face of all the evidence, you cannot see the existential threat presented by Islam then there is no hope for you.

You may be "nice" but your mind is welded shut,
which is the definition of a bigot.

Open your mind to reality Foxy.

Ask yourself, why is the Wales government spending £25.3 million to combat honour related violence, female genital mutilation and forced marriage?
http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/35011
It must be part of the Taffy culture!