6 January 2007
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Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on IranUzi Mahnaimi

The Sunday Times of London - January 07, 2007

" ... ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb. ... "

It is in this environment that the child abusers howard et al choose to sell uranium to the gross Human Rights abusers in beijing, whose military are guilty of murder, rape & other vile crimes against humanity in not just Tibet, but against their own country folk who seek only, amongst other things, to pray in peace.

I move that the WMD abusers & holocaust weapon advocates in englund, america, australia and america be removed from power.

They are clearly unable to resolve their differences in a benevolent Spiritual manner, reminding me in fact of the politics of the schoolyard where the bully with the biggest stick rules the roost.

Having witnessed the condition of the Palestinians 1st hand it is my view that israel & its ugly supporters ought be sanctioned severely.

I personally do not condone killing period but thereafter, after years of being treated like animals, it is understandable to me that there has been a vehement backlash from quarters of the Islamic family.

...Adam...

"the child abusers howard et al" ?

What sort of nutter is Adam?

Leigh,
I think he must be a real ding a ling.
There is a serious proposal that we stop the export of yellow cake ore
set up a plant to enrich to a power reactor level and then not sell
the uranium but form it into rods for the reactors and lease it out
to those needing it. Then when depleted they do not get any more rods until the depleted ones are returned.

It has three very good features, we make the money, we get the employment
and the depleted uranium can be stored under our control.
The returned rods can be processed to reduce the radio activity so
I am informed. I have personally handled depleted uranium. It is
surprisingly heavy and quite safe.
It was equivalent, so I was told to a couple of xrays at the dentist.

“america be removed from power.”

And who will force America from Power?
Oh I know, that is a trick question, “America “ is not a sovereign nations, there are two “Americas” North and South and they are continents. I think, maybe he means “The United States of America” but that is only my guess.

And who do you suggest will “fill the void”, Russia? China?

Re “Having witnessed the condition of the Palestinians 1st hand it is my view that israel & its ugly supporters ought be sanctioned severely.”

Yes, following on from your school yard analogy, let someone send them home with a note for their mother.

Regarding “the child abusers howard et al”

I would like to see evidence to support that claim. Alternatively, I think you might have made a libelous statement, not to worry, there will not be too many “Adam J Le Breton’s” around, should be easy to track you down and serve the writ..

Re “Having witnessed the condition of the Palestinians 1st hand it is my view that israel & its ugly supporters ought be sanctioned severely.”

Does Adam J LeBreton hold a view to the Palestinians sponsorship of those who murdered Jewish Atheletes in Munich in 1972 or hijacked planes and murdered people throughout the 1970’s and early 1980’s?

Does he hold a view to the reasons why Arafat & Co were thrown out of Jordan?

Does he agree with the general opinion that Arafat, the elected Leader of the Palestinians was a useless failure at most things, including negotiation and so intransigent that he never honoured any agreement which he made.

That he is a man of whom it is written “He never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity”

Not all but alot of the woes of Palestinians are woes which they have brought and continue to bring on themselves.

I don't know what to think about uranium. I'm not keen on it at the moment, but there might be convincing arguments.

However, it is a serious subject, and I refused to read any further than the bizarre "child abuse" thing.

Anyone who can suggest such a thing cannot be taken seriously, and I will not be reading anything else the galah puts up.

Just maybe he talks of refugee children? Locking them up behind wire in the middle of nowhere is abuse by my standards.
fluff

Fluffy was my favorite kitten from the last litter, but your not my favorite poster :)

child abuse to me is separating them from their parents in a strange land.....

Holding the family together.. is MUCH more humane. When people speak about 'locking children' up as you did, they really mean "I want to damage Howard and his government" so..there is a political agenda.

I'm not a Howard fan on a number of issues, so don't get me wrong.
I know enough now about the mafia and organized crime activities of the Union movement to be so terrified of them every re-gaining the strangle hold of brute power they had prior to the last batch of IR reforms that I would never Vote labor while they are connected to the MAFIA.

LABOR and COALITION is.. "us/them" whereas I would prefer to be issues centred. We need a government which actually governs for all rather than segmented interests.

If the Right of Labor and the Left of Coalition (except for that MORON Petro Georgio and company)got together it would probably make a good government.

Now.. you better go and groom out those hair tufts.

I deliberately include my name as I have no shame for accusing howard et al of being CHILD ABUSERS as that is what they are in my view.

For those of U who are clearly uninformed, I would suggest that U verify the following in the archives of the ABC's LateLine, which is one possible source for the following info.

The political establishment of Oz, which obviously includes the child abusers howard et al, has been informed by a most emminent team of Australian Psychiatrists and supporting medical staff that the consequences of interning children in the desert is BRAIN DISEASE (a most terrible thing according to the experts)for some.

Therefore, to continue to detain them in my view clearly constitutes "knowingly & deliberately inflicting mental harm," which is in and of itself CHILD ABUSE by any definition other than perhaps that of the nefarious.

Further, as previously iterated in this place, there is more to GENOCIDAL practice than barbecuing & gassing the Disabled, Gays, Gypsies & Jews, or the forcible transferance of Children from one group to another, as in the case of the Stolen Generation for that matter. The knowing and deliberate infliction of mental harm is also a breach.

As for a liable suit, don't make me laugh! (though I have provided my name in the hope of same.) You see, for those of you who are not aware, CHILD ABUSERS are also COWARDS. The p!ss bucket brigade howard et al don't have the balls for this issue to enter a court but they are most welcome to try.

And again, as previously stated in this place, is it any surprise that some of the child abusers howard et al delude themselves and others that they are Catholic? (Talk about wolves in sheep's cloththing) Plently of child abuse and cover up there amongst the nefarious infiltrators of the Church.

...Adam...

“ ... I say it publicly: the invading troops in Iraq and those who sent them are not Christians and have nothing to do with Christianity. ... "

- Orthodox Church Spokesman Archimandrite Attallah Hanna, April 1, 2003
Posted by AJLeBreton, Sunday, 7 January 2007 10:52:28 PM

Adam J LeBreton “I deliberately include my name as I have no shame for accusing howard et al of being CHILD ABUSERS as that is what they are in my view.”

OK Well I will call you “inconsequential moron”, for that is what you are, in my view.

As for “of interning children in the desert is BRAIN DISEASE (a most terrible thing according to the experts)for some.”

Actually, if anyone, the parents of the children are the abusers.

Through their action of attempting to illegally enter Australia and avoid the processes of immigration control, parents are the ones who have put their own children in harms way.

That you choose to pervert this fact comes as no surprise.
The wasteful indolents who have been overindulged are chronically moronic and never get to comprehend what happens in real life and how parents are responsible for their children.

Oh what an angry, deluded little tit you are

Adam,

You seem a very immature young man with medium writing skills although quite a good vocabulary. Some big words but things dont add up, I personally do not believe that you have 1st hand experience with the Palestinians, maybe you met some once but your writing doesnt sound true.

Fluff4,

You have standards different from most if you believe that “locking up” children behind wire is child abuse by government.

Government is obliged to detain illegal immigrants by law – it is a bi-partisan introduced by Labor. And, the majority of Australians support that law.

I’m not absolutely sure, but I understand that there are no children of illegal entrants still detained, although there may be some of visa-overstayers. At any rate, it is quite ridiculous to claim that detaining the children of illegals is “child abuse”.

Now, if you wished to charge the parents of these children with child abuse for putting them in the position of being detained, I would agree with you.

Adam,

There is no big deal about including your name. You are very unlikely to be traced with just a name and charged with libel, which is the offence you have committed.

Any “disease”, which is most certainly debatable, caused by detention is entirely the fault of the parents who brought them here illegally.

You are a nutter and ignoramus who has a lot of growing up to do. You need to brush up on your spelling, too

I see that there are a few boos from the gallery. Supporters of the child abusers howard et al perhaps, whose shallow purposes in places such as this rarely exceeds anything more than the derailment of threads which express views contrary to their own.

” ... During times of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ... ”

-- George Orwell

It would also appear that many of U are unfamiliar with the United Nations, International Law, and the obligations that all signatories have pursuant to the instruments and covenants and that which specifically applies to the ASYLUM SEEKERS.

NONE of the ASYLUM SEEKERS are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, as alleged by the child abusers howard et al, @ the point of entry to the Oz territories, until such time as same has been determined by a competent JUDICIAL authority.
(NOTE: The child abusers have corrupted that process by the installation of bigoted, half baked, tin pot, executive "kangaroo" tribunals, which is in and of itself a corruption of the 3 tiered system of government that is enshrined in this country.

The concept of the "illegal immigrant" is a filthy lie, spawned by the child abusers howard et al, and further propagated by the slime in the mainstream media.

To cut a long story short, it stands to good reason that when fleeing war & persecution, say at the hands of the american armed chemical ali, you don't stop to fill in a form for some p!ss ant little australian bureacrat, who in truth have little or no representation in key strife areas of the world.

You flee leaving all behind, bringing with you your family and friends and seek by any means possible, be it a leaky boat or otherwise, a safe haven sanctuary, which many in the world used to believe australia was.

Of course, there will always be some who seek to compromise our security, like the beijing spies and those who simply seek the greener pastures of Oz, but, that is something that we agree to put up with when we sign up at the UN.

Adam J LeBreton “” ... During times of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ... ”

And Lenin who said “Tell a Lie often enough and it becomes the truth”

We know your game Adam.. you sound like one of Lenin’s “Useful Idiots” (I will leave you to look that up for yourself).

As for Asylum Seekers, oh how many times do we need to go over this, I guess for as many times as useful idiots bring it up and try to turn the lie into the truth.

The convention you speak of applies to “Asylum Seekers”

That is the problem. The illegal immigrants in detention do not qualify as asylum seekers.

You see, by the time they got to Indonesia or Malaysia or where ever, they had already been relieved of the duress which qualified them for “Asylum”.

“Economic Refugees” entering Australia in a clandestine manner with the specific intent of circumventing immigration control (which, among other things ensures carriers of tuberculosis and other infectious diseases are properly quarantined and prevented from spreading their malady) are thus, illegal immigrants.

That you do not like that fact is entirely your problem. I suggest you crawl up your own fundamental orifice and learn to deal with it.

Regarding “Of course, there will always be some who seek to compromise our security, like the beijing spies and those who simply seek the greener pastures of Oz, but, that is something that we agree to put up with when we sign up at the UN. “

George Orwell also wrote “ People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

Our national security was never relinquished to UN and I for one would be happy if we were to deregister from that particular Club. I am stuffed if, when the balance of power no longer needs an arbiter (the communists having unspectacularly aborted themselves), it serves any purpose, other than to give a bunch of wannabes access to enormous amounts of public funds.

Adam,
The people on the boats reaching Australia have sold their cars and homes bought airline
tickets to either Malaysia or Indonesia and then made their way to the designated ports of departure and booked into hotels arranged by the smugglers.

This is routine for the large majority of the people arriving on the Australian coast.

Now do these people sound like refugees to you ?

It is easy to get taken in by the trendy professional demonstrators and campaigners.
As you get older you will recognise the technique when you
see it appear repeatedly in other campaignes. You can see all the same
patten in the World Trade demos and the G8 demos etc etc.

Good on you Col and Bazz. You have more patience than I do in your dealings with the boofhead, Adam, than I do.

The twit continues to abuse the system he so much hates, but that's what Australia is all about: democracy, tolerance (hard though it is with him) and equity.

I will glady contribute to the price of a ticket to any destination other than the free world Adam nominates as his ideal locale.

The team of bazz, leigh and col, likely red-necks and likely supporters of the child abusers howard et al, whose only resort is name calling in the absence of being able to formulate reasoned argument, are misinformed and gullible propaganda parrots, in my view.

" ... That is the problem. The illegal immigrants in detention do not qualify as asylum seekers. ... " as one said.

The system of assessment is performed by an incompetent, non-judicial authority whose legal terms of reference and inquiry are wholly inadequate pursuant to our international obligations and whether legitimate or not, all of the ASYLUM SEEKERS are locked up in contravention of our international obligations, in some cases for years and years.

Many arrive without any papers at all, so to suggest that
" ... You see, by the time they got to Indonesia or Malaysia or where ever, they had already been relieved of the duress which qualified them for “Asylum”. ... "
is but the simplistic false rhetoric of a child abuse supporting propaganda parrot. I have done volunteer work at the detention centres and know for a fact that hundreds of legitimate ASYLUM SEEKERS have arrived here, been incorrectly assessed and sent away to the very persecution and death that they alleged, as only just reported in last weekends weekend australian. & all that vile creature vanstone has to say is that it is not the guvments responsibility further once these human beings have been tossed aside on the scrap heap.

howard et al have been condemned by the UN before the entire world as rascists pursuant to international law. ref the UN for further and better particulars.

Further, for those that are unaware, the last time the the equivalent of the UN was torn apart by warmongers, we got WWII for our trouble, like the americans who were arming the nazis in the early stages.

Hmmm Adam,
The first thing you need to understand is that refugee status
ends when the person reaches the first country of safety.
To reach Australia they must have passed through at least two countries of safety.
Also the reason most of them do not have documentation such as passports
is that the smugglers instruct them to throw them overboard as soon aa
they leave Indonesia. That they reached Indonesia is proof that they
had documentation as they could not have boarded an aircraft without it.
That is the first criminal act that they commit.
The second is to refuse to identify their country of origin.
They do this because the authorities cannot deport them if they do not
know where they came from. That is another reason they languish in
detention.

Now your retoric makes me think you have a totally closed mind and
are not prepared to listen to what others say.

You seem to have a mantra of slogans which go around and around.
For the sake of your blood pressure I suggest you take a deep breath
and click on the no further notification of posting button.

Adam J Le Breton “Many arrive without any papers at all, so to suggest that”

Adam, they throw their papers overboard on the boat immediately before they get here (they needed them for travel through Malaysia and/or Indonesia) but get close to Australia and there no point pretending to be (for example) an Afghani if you have Pakistani identity papers in your pocket (which would mean the Australian Authorities would ship the illiegal immigrant back to Pakistan quicker than if the illegal immigrant arrives paperless).

“howard et al have been condemned by the UN before the entire world as rascists”

maybe you could give me direct evidence of a reliable source to substantiate that claim. Particularly the “Racist” part.

A reliable source being a website under the guardianship and management of the UN, not some bonko malcontent nutters spleen venting hatchet site.

Adam J LeBreton “we got WWII for our trouble, like the americans who were arming the nazis in the early stages.”

So you are blaming USA for the rise of Hitler?

I would note USA had and has a large migrant German population as well as English, Irish, Polish and French etc. Certainly, when a nation is not at war with another, its people are free to pursue whatever links take their individual fancy but individuals pursuing private links does not constitute governmental support for “arming the nazis”.

There was, following WWI, as part of the armistice negotiations, arms embargos and limits to allowable armarment holdings and research applied to Germany, which Hitler secretly broke in developing his tanks and aircraft etc.

I would further note, USA UK and the Allies in WWI were instrumental participants in establishing the League of Nations, the forerunner of UN..

President Roosevelt was certainly a 100% supporter of Britain from before the onset of WWII and engineered “Lease-Lend” to circumvent opposition to military support of either side in US Congress, where a view of US neutrality prevailed.

Leigh “You have more patience than I do in your dealings with the boofhead”

It is a bit like mental sparing, it hones the brain and keeps me fit. Although, as a sparing partner Adam really isn’t up to much at all, he is already “on the ropes”. I think I might give him a few more whacks and call it a day, this is too easy, I am not even breaking into a sweat.

Keep up the good work Bazz and Leigh, I do draw reassurance from knowing that others are equally offended by the moronic ravings of the ignorant.

" ... Adam, they throw their papers overboard ... "

U r preaching from the manifesto of the child abusers, propaganda parrot col rouge. In terms of the legitimate asylum seekers, it is just another one of howard's despicable distortions of the truths, in the same vein as the so called "Children overboard," to suggest that this is an act of wrong doing.

In more cases than one, the legitimate ASYLUM SEEKERS have no choice but to throw their papers overboard because they reveal their identities & relegious persuasion, for which in turn they are persecuted, as is in the case of my friends from a minority Islamic sect from Iran. (who remain languishing in baxter)

" ... maybe you could give me direct evidence of a reliable source to substantiate that claim. Particularly the “Racist” part. ... "

I will happily refer U directly to the UN report if U really wish, but considering the fact that U r big anough and ugly enuff to wipe yr own bum, I feel that U would benefit greatly from direct reading of additional UN material yrSelf whilst searching. (aswell as that of the N.G.O's too for that matter.)

If U get stuck, let me know and I'd be happy to oblige further in the interests of elevating yr consciousness from that of propaganda parrot to "Independent Thinker."

...Adam...

P.S. A "Safe Haven" or "Safe Country" is at the discretion of the ASYLUM SEEKER and NOT those deceitful child abusers in Canberra.

Adam J Le Breton “I will happily refer U directly to the UN report if U really wish, but considering the fact that U r big anough and ugly enuff to wipe yr own bum, I feel that U would benefit greatly from direct reading of additional UN material yrSelf whilst searching. (aswell as that of the N.G.O's too for that matter.)’

Oh I have rattled your cage haven’t I.

Thank you that makes my day.

Let us see what we can make of your deranged ramblings.

We could start with your inability to write “you”, although maybe you pronounce it “youse”.

“Anough” and “enuff” is spelt “enough” and “yrself” is spelt “yourself”

So you cannot spell. Now to the rest of your hissing fit.

I claim you are a bare faced liar who has no evidentiary source to suggest your stupid and moronic claim that Australia has been labeled a “racist nation” in the UN.

You see It was you who claimed it, it is not my responsibility to prove your claims, that is yours or do you leave the tough work to mummy to sort out for you, like clipping on your tie, doing up your laces and wiping your arse.

As for “If U get stuck, let me know and I'd be happy to oblige further in the interests of elevating yr consciousness from that of propaganda parrot to "Independent Thinker."”

Failed on all counts You do not know what “consciousness” is.
I do not need the deluded fantasies of immature prats to suggest what an “independent thinker” is.
Been there a long time and just because my “independent thoughts” does not conform with you imbecilicle definition is neither here nor there.

As for “A "Safe Haven" or "Safe Country" is at the discretion of the ASYLUM SEEKER and NOT those deceitful child abusers in Canberra.”

And attempting to circumvent Australian migration control is illegal. Whine and foam all you want, you impress no one and merely read like an immature ingrate who cannot spell and has the sort of presumptive writing style of the pampered tosser.

The Children Overboard Mantra !
Just another part of the trendies chant sheet.

You want to know what really happened ?
They did throw children overboard but not for the reason most people
believe.
When the navy arrived the crew thought the navy might refuse to
take them on board, so they scuttled the boat by openning the sea cocks.
The boat started to sink and the parents realised they had to get the
children off the boat in a hurry so they threw them into the ocean.
At first Howard thought that they threw them in to put pressure on the navy.
However it was the smugglers that openned the cocks as they did not want
to take them back to Indonesia and so put pressure on the navy.
Since then the smugglers meet up with a another boat, board it and
leave the passengers to look after themselves so the crew don't spend
time in gaol in Australia.

Nice people eh! Moslems mostly, judging by their names.

"likely red-necks and likely supporters of the child abusers howard et al, whose only resort is name calling " http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=355#6420

Now thats an interesting line. I wish I could underline bits like "red-neck" and "child abusers" and "name calling".

Does the author support a different set of politicians? Ones who have at some stage actually had the responsibility of government and who have managed to avoid causing harm to children by the policies they have implemented (or failed to implement).

If so I would be interesting to know which politicians have achieved that goal. Can't think of any myself.

R0bert

This debate has deteriated into yet another media hype.
Who cares if a child is in a detention centre,safe in the middle of Australia.
It must be infinitely better than seeing your mother raped and your father tortured.
May be,OH yes, just maybe these people are not genuine refugees who are escaping hell,but infact the children of the mass murderers who have the funds to escape from the war torn areas of the world for the land of opportunity.
I would love the Australian media to look after the welfare of Australian born indigenous children and the abuse that the Australian Police and prison Staff infict on these Australians.