There was the Sumerian before the Talmud ; Have you ever read the epic Adventure of Enkido; ( Just love that name)

Judaism was shaped by Zoroastrianism (See Dr Mary Boyce) Ps the books are rare and very expensive, I could only afford two volumes. And I can’t see the Local library stocking up on them .
And Akhenaton Egyptian Faeroe (The Michael Jackson of the time) Introduced Monotheism during his reign. And scrapped when he kicked the bucket, and Egyptians returned to the worship of ?

Any way I don’t think I can shape or change minds , but I hope people understand that things are more in depth than they first thought, and more precision in studies than perhaps they are aware.

I enjoyed it too West, it gets the brain cell re aligned and “Spring” into action.
I take it you reside in The Peoples Socialist Republic of Brankstan then? {Aka or formally known as Victoria.}

All,
Zoroastrianism is dualistic and conflicting in its view of powers that control the universe (gods). This has no resemblence to Judaism, monotheism holds the Universe has one diverse function united by only one intelligence.

Principally I agree with that Philo,
But I could only imagine, and what Archaeology presents, there be a fair amount of turmoil in those times.
It is actually written, in biblical record, that Zoroastrian Margi turned up late in Jerusalem , but the principled methodology; them new in cosmology, is what made them aware of the birth of Christ; however their cosmological watches were not synchronized. But they made it; be it ever so late.
There are several references to Zarathustra, and it was the principle thought of Good Light and Dark light, that had a tendency to change some parallels with the initial Judaism theological perspectives;
Much as Christianity began, being a division of Judaism. Basic principle, but ethics were the question.
Perhaps we can see the very same these days?

The unusual part of that in Historical recent time ; is Friedrich Nietzsche spent some time trying to reverse the meaning of Good – Evil, as he seemed to think Zarathustra spoke through him.
A few marbles short; and that is explainable.
Then of course; Thus Spake Mohammad , hmmm, Evolution .hay?
Back to the bad old days again.

I wonder if anyone noticed that the UK has done the right thing and moved evolution out of the science class, where it clearly doesn't belong:

http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1167973400/#7

Spendocrat:

"It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory"

You want them to lie?

"that what is at issue within biology "

Why do you keep forgetting the topic is?

"It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. "

Doesn't that contradict abiogenesis, the foundation of the theory of evolution?

Also, this is not a debate wbout whether there is evidence supporting the theory. It is a debate about the nature of that evidence.

West

"Are you really refuting a natural process or trying to discredit science to serve a political agenda?"

Actually, what I'm doing is giving science it's due credit, by disassociating it from non-science.

"The only conclusion that I can come to for your resons to drag science dowen to the level of superstition "

Perhaps you should read what I wrote. I've got no idea where you got that from.

"Even if he is semantically correct on a technicality (& I have no way of knowing), what is his bigger point? That evolution shouldn't be taught in science lessons? "

Correct.

"That intelligent design should?"

What on earth gave you that idea?

"As a non-scientist, I go by the weight of overhwelming consensus (after all, what else can I go on?) & for me Richard Dawkins is most plausible when he said something like "it's true that evolution has not been proven 100%, but it is based on such *overwhelming* evidence that to equate creation with evolution as both being 'theories' is a miscarriage of justice.""

Is this relevant somehow?

"TNT as technologies such as genetic therapy to name one are dependent on the knowledge of evolution"

No they aren't.

"This is a society that owes its existence and survival to science."

why we shouldn't lose our understanding of what science is

Sorry Freediver I could not confirm your claim the UK is going to force Intelligent Design myth onto its students. I followed your links but they did not lead to reputable sites. I did however go to the Department for Education (United Kingdom) website and did a policy search and found no such policy. I am not surprised; deceit is the trap the intelligent design fanatic uses to capture unwary children.

I think what the main concern with intelligent design is that it is a constructed lie for Intelligent Design worshippers to control our children. I can think of no positive motive why anybody would want to teach intelligent design and since the fact that those persons have proved their dishonesty as to push such a ridiculous claim that evolution is a magic trick of a god. If intelligent design is not a pure and total lie then where is the proof of god? We can laugh and argue debate about intelligent design and all its missing links but it’s the victims of intelligent design fanatics I am worried about.

Intelligent design pushers have declared they want our children for the purpose to exploit to justify ID pushers superstitions. To me this is extremely repugnant and offensive and it is our Governments duty to control those who push intelligent design and have the threat to our children removed.

To ID fanatics, by all means go and pretend life is a Lego set, do it in the privacy of your own homes but leave children alone. Your insistence on teaching the lie of intelligent design is self serving and evil.

Read that link you posted again freediver, very carefully.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16791773/

Your take on it is complete spin and in fact, false.
It is NOT about removing evolution from the science class, it is in fact about teaching Intelligent Design in Religious classes instead of trying to force it into science. If you cannot see the difference, then there is no hope for you, especially in science.