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Posted by Philo, Friday, 22 January 2010 3:51:48 PM
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Henyak, I don't believe you should leave your wife over such a silly spat either! Surely there must be good times as well?
Do look at the statistics provided by the Australian Government and then have a more informed discussion with your wife. Antiseptic is not a good poster-boy for marital relationships though, so I wouldn't take what he says as gospel at all. I tried to wade through the mountains of info on the website he put up as proof of women being more violent than men in society- but I couldn't actually find where it said that? Antiseptic <" "In the 12 months prior to the survey, there were an estimated 443,800 (5.8%) women who experienced an incident of violence compared to 808,300 (11%) men." I am sure that these figures are correct if they are put out by the Government 'septic, however the men bash each other far more often than they bash the women, so that doesn't really prove they are often the victims of female violence does it? Antiseptic < '"During the 12 months prior to the survey 1.6% (126,100) of women and 0.6% (46,700) of men experienced an incident of sexual violence." Again, these figures are undoubtedly true, however I have a feeling most of the sexual violence directed towards men is by other men (Gay couple violence)? Most men are strong enough to repel a sexually violent female I would imagine (not all of course). I have no doubts there are some terribly neglectful mothers in our society- especially with emotional neglect and physical neglect. We need to help the children of any violent or neglectful parent, no matter what the gender of the perpetrator. Posted by suzeonline, Friday, 22 January 2010 6:40:01 PM
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the missus,
sounds like you've hit the jackpot with your relationship. Good on you. not many females are women. I've had my quota of experience in that department. Just like far too many males will never achieve man status so too far too many females fail to qualify as well. Once you have good men & women then there's a chance of getting a society of good people. Physical & mental abuse stem from a lack of maturity, a lack that is actually promoted by the just as immature entertainment industry. What's the last non-violent happy ending movie made ? I couldn't tell you. Everything is about violence & antisocial behaviour & wins Oscars & other awards. Then there are the feminists & those "men" & so many other whatever description you want to apply. Talk sense & you're branded ...phobic this'n ...phobic that. Posted by individual, Friday, 22 January 2010 6:45:28 PM
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Well, you have come to the right place Henyak.
Lots of men here with all the stats you could ever need to 'prove' women are rarely abused, that most of the DV occurring in the home is perpetrated by women and that men are the greatest victims of the modern age. Feast away... Posted by pelican, Friday, 22 January 2010 9:55:33 PM
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suzeonline:"couldn't actually find where it said that?"
and you'll struggle just as hard to find where I claimed it did. Henyak asked for stats on violence prevalence, which I provided. As he suspected, they showed his wife's view is quite wrong. Who'd have thought they'd also clearly demonstrate your inability to read sinple graphs and tables? I thought you were a "professional"? Pelican, the figures I provided are all the latest data from Australian Federal Governemtn sources. Do you have any specifics you'd like to take issue with, or are you just doing the usual "I don't like it, so it must be wrong"? Individual, you've hit the nail on the head. Goodwill is in short supply thanks to the victim industries that have been created as a result of the growth of such non-professions as social work. To quote the SA Parliamentary Select committee into Families SA: "rogue social workers on power trips account for most of the problems experienced by families coming to my office for assistance." http://www.news.com.au/national/gunpoint-drama-in-sa-maternity-ward/story-e6frfkvr-1225819526377 Posted by Antiseptic, Friday, 22 January 2010 10:09:33 PM
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(Hiya Suzie :D)
The statement left unfinished by Antiseptic is: "In the 12 months prior to the survey, there were an estimated 443,800 (5.8%) women who experienced an incident of violence compared to 808,300 (11%) men. People were three times more likely to experience violence by a man than by a woman." The greatest threat to females' safety is from males; the greatest threat to males' safety is OTHER men. Personally I believe that overt violence from F is increasing or becoming more evident. Yet overall, violence is decreasing. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/PrimaryMainFeatures/4906.0?OpenDocument As to neglect, that is linked to poverty and other variables. I have read that drug use is another factor in many cases. In general, children might be better housed, clothed and fed if more fathers contributed financial support. Of other types of violence, M and F are on a par re: physical violence, however, females are responsible for at least 3/4 of child care. The only thing that is surprising is that M manage to inflict so much damage within the bounds of the contact they have (ie: 20 % or less). Child sexual abuse is of course about 90% the province of males. It accounts for about 10 percent of substantiated cases but is probably the hardest to prove. In any case, saying that 40% of substantiated abuse is perpetrated by one sex or the other shouldn't be read as 40% of all children; or 40 % of all M or F parents. The figures are specific to substantiated cases of abuse. There are many studies that note that magistrates will act against a parent who makes claims against the other of DV or child abuse and that lawyers often advise mothers not to raise those types of matters re: custody issues. This research report may be useful for your enquiries: "At the same time, we have seen that, using the broadest of their definitions of “violence”, Sheehan and Smyth (2000) found that in an Australian context, 65% of divorced women and 55% of divorced men reported having experienced violence in their relationship." (p.121) http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/resreport15/report15pdf/aifsreport15.pdf Posted by Pynchme, Friday, 22 January 2010 11:30:24 PM
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Have you been married long? - perhaps not long enough to learn never try to win a debate with your wife. They have to believe they are right whatever the statistics might say. Just let her win the argument and let her do the research on the subject, she won't bring up the subject again if the statistics prove you were right.