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The Tragedy of Haiti
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Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 16 January 2010 11:10:35 AM
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Poirot, yes indeed, the earthquake in Haiti is a very sad story.
It sounds like the US, as a direct neighbour, will do all it can to assist. Many other countries have agreed to give a hand too. As to you blaming globalistation etc for all that poverty, you have claimed that before on another thread. I read the link at the time, but was too busy at work to respond. In fact just yesterday, I heard on the radio that the World Bank had forgiven 1 billion $ of Haiti's debts last year. Your link was a mumbo jumbo confusion of politics/economics, rather then a proper analysis. Fact is that globalisation/ trade has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. Agriculatural subsidies/dumping of agricultural products by the US/EU has little to do with economics, everything to do with politics. Politicians in those countries want to buy their seats and stay in office, they do it by buying votes. Not only third world farmers suffer from all that dumping, Aussie farmers suffer too. Don't blame globalisation for that, blame rich country politicians. Haiti has other problems. For a start, one of the highest birthrates on the planet. 5 kids on average, only a small % use modern family planning (its a Catholic country), so they breed like rabbits. They wont' get out of poverty whilst they do that. http://newsecuritybeat.blogspot.com/2009/04/hardship-in-haiti-family-planning-and.html . Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 16 January 2010 2:27:44 PM
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Yabby,
You are correct that the IMF and the World Bank cancelled some of Haiti's debt last year. A program that was implemented around 1997 for Heavily Indebted Poor Countries, or HIPC, saw fit to omit Haiti until 2006, and then made it jump through years of macroeconomic reform hoops and structural reforms before finally cancelling around two thirds of its debt last year. Debt accrued after 2004 was not cancelled. The following links offer further analysis of Haiti's road to debt relief and IMF and World Bank programs for debt relief. http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/haiti.debt.relief.2007.12.pdf http://www.globalissues.org/article/3/structural-adjustment-a-major-cause-of-poverty Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 17 January 2010 2:29:58 AM
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Apologies - here is the first link above again.
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/haiti_debt_relief_2007_12.pdf Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 17 January 2010 2:41:46 AM
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What I would like to know is if anyone keeps tabs on which countries are giving aid, either physical or monetary.
I know we are and others have been mentioned. The USA is giving a lot, as they do in other catastrophes, France, Canada, Caribean nations, Brazil, Japan, China, are some I have heard of. What about other nations? There could be many I have missed but why do we not hear. What about the oil rich countries, do they not give aid to others or do we not hear and if we do not hear, why? Last night I googled the Tele in UK and there was no mention of them giving aid, but an appeal is underway so people can give. In all the stories about Haiti there was no mention of UK government aid. Can anyone provide information on the above matters? Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 17 January 2010 8:30:39 AM
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there has been/trade embargo's.. on the hate-ians..
and massive payments to the former french colinisers...to buy back their freedom.. but slaves they are...and slaves they shall remain... as ever new masters control their shattles/slaves/fiefdoms/franchise we have here..a perfect egsample of colinisations fruits... here..the un was in charge... it has been run as a personal fiefdom..for hundreds of years...this same thing is occuring globally... welcome to your kids future we are run by international banking cartels...who have looted a nations rights to create it's own money/intrest free..and made govts lend from the ursurors..at intrest... this nessitates ever increasing taxes..on the people/ mainly the poor...as the rich/foreigners dont pay taxes...indeed can leverage tax egsemptions..to attract industry../read pitance labour/workers/rent paying/pay-as you earn/wage-slaves its a lovelly system... you install a constitution...that forms a govt.. [the constitution is supposed to regulate trade/commerce..government powers...laws..by which THEY.. will be bound..BUT..thanks to clever lawyers..calling us persons/..put us../..under their acts [but its a lie]..a constitution/binds those..who seek govt constituted advantages/under the act/under the con....not its people...but..thats where lawyers come in.. [most polititions are..or were lawyers... they empower thugs/to police/statuted..incomerevenue..producing laws...that are enforced by thugs..loving to abuse others[police/soldiers]...beuro-roc-rats..[on huge pensions].. or ngo-s/diplo-mats...who control outside spending..on temporary assistance/...keeping their..cash/only..please..in house..but creating obligation's..and..permanent bondage.. and in time..a failing fiefdom..then the coliniser hides behind the law[and trade embargo's]..or takes their pension/offshore...lol via lawyer's.../now judges..who judge statuted-crime..by threat and force/deception..get it yet? http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1327 Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 January 2010 8:45:15 AM
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Tremendous loss of life is expected as the quake decimated the poorly constructed buildings of the capital Port-Au Prince and the rambling shanty towns that spread across the city's hills.
80 percent of the population that inhabited the devastated area before the earthquake, lived in absolute poverty. Recent threads on OLO have alluded to the desperate plight of Haitians and the terrible toll that globalization has exacted upon this nation.
Organizations such as the IMF, WTO and the World Bank - to name a few - have been chipping away for years at Haitian self-sufficiency and self-determination.
Haiti's experience as the victim of globalization's absolute indifference to the interests of developing nations is stark indeed.
As the recipient of various loans from the above organizations, Haiti has been forced to open up its markets and become competitive with richer nations. As a result, its pig, rice and sugar industries have been destroyed.
Years of interference have also resulted in deforestation on a massive scale, loss of habitat and bio-diversity leading to a consequent inability for locals to support themselves in even the most basic of subsistence techniques.
The poor and dispossessed have simply migrated to the capital and hopelessness.
In the wake of the earthquake, many will watch intently to see if some modicum of autonomy and pride can be restored to the Haitian people - they won't be holding their breath.