Wybong

You must really have had some strange encounters with churches. You write

'but he likes those that miss use Christianity to further their own agenda's better, like using His name to justify total de-nuding their land. Or to pum thousands of tonnes of crap into the air each year.'

In the nearly 30 years I have been a believer and across a range of bible believing churches I have never once heard this sort of rot preached from a pulpit. In actual fact any church worth anything preaches His will be done not my own. It is normally the liberal churches if you could call them a church that has decided to worship 'mother earth' instead of Father God. The vast majority of believers I know are inclined to look after the planet as well as anyone else. The fact that they don't swallow the man made gw tripe does not make them environmental vandals. You ought to try breaking free from your stereo typing.

runner; yes I have, before I became a born again agnostic.

you say: "You ought to try breaking free from your stereo typing."

"She made bad choices which were made easier by the secular society we live in."
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3374#80146
"Look at some of the Greens perverted social policies"
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3375#80188
"how dumb must the multi cultural policy makers (social engineers) be?"
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3372#80186
"It is usually the self righteous left who feel they have a right to strip off naked for any reason or throw urine at the police that you should be writing to"
Hey I have nothing to be ashamed of, and you say your God made us and we were naked, cloths are for sinners. I wear cloths for the benefit of others and they're eye sight.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3375#80125
"The irony is that the earth worshippers and politicians blamed man made global warming for the bush fires in Victoria. Both are faith based comments although the Greens try and justify their comments with pseudo science."
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9922#159905
" secular humanism producing its rotten fruit."
"The sponsorship by the pervert industry will inevitably lead to unwanted pregnancies, abortion and violation of women."
"perverted industry will be sponsoring sex education classes in public schools" Oh no, we don't want to talk about sex.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9922#159850
"There is nothing more selfish and self serving than this kind of justification"
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3361#80018
and the piece of resistance:
"Going to a secular psychologist will result in him becoming the victim and quite likely his parents to blame."

OK already, you proved your point, you know more about stereo typing than I do

Your nit picking expertise was beautifully demonstrated when examinator told his story.

He had a very good point, and when the finger started to swing your way, you found something that had absolutely nothing to do with such a compassionate story.

If you are a witness as to the compassion of the Lord, I will stay right where I am thank you very much.

Wybong

You write

'If you are a witness as to the compassion of the Lord, I will stay right where I am thank you very much.'

What a pathetically lame excuse for denying the truth of the gospel. It seems to me you have looked desperately hard for a way to justify your life without Christ. By all means live in rebellion but don't use me as an excuse for your choices. You really have no idea how compassionate I am or am not. You seem to have fallen for the fallacy that somehow the earth worshipers are the compassionate ones on earth while anyone who speaks truth are the hard hearted ones. Please re read your bible and stop using the agnostic excuse for denying the obvious. It won't help you when you have to give an account.

Runner,
You remind me of the man who asked god to help his business and promised to give to the church. When rich he went to church with a bag of gold coins.
The priest said is that for the church?
The man replied I made a pact with God to give him that which he wants.
'thank you my son how are you going to determine that?' asked the bemused priest.
" well," said the man" I figure it this way God is in heaven....so I'm going to throw the coins up into the air and god can take what he wants and what he doesn't belongs to me"

In essence, you use God in the same way. To you 'if God want's a safe planet he'll clean it up. If he doesn't then it's his plan.....'
What happened to your personal responsibility? to...er... perhaps use 'god' given assets wisely and responsibly. Prove to me that science isn't part his grand plan.

As I've said before the bible is a man made concoction created for different reasons than it was designed for. Then, the greatest arrogance a catholic pope decided which books went into the bible and which were left out to match HIS enhanced his power.So enough with the self referential nonsense.
And believe in God as God, with respect, not a celestially opperated janitorial service

runner my friend, I have no fear of my meeting with the Lord or of His having the last judgment of me. It is the church, and people like you, who preach love, tolerance, compassion and forgiveness, whilst having none of it to speak of yourself.

I remarried a few years ago and have come into a new family. My new wife and I went to spend a weekend with her cousin in Tamworth. Her (the cousins) attitude and persona immediately impressed upon me that this woman was a special person, I adjusted my humor and jokes accordingly.

Over the following years we met with them and spent time at there place and they ours. One day I said to my wife, "Your cousins a Christian, isn't she." she said "Very, how did I know, she keeps it to herself mostly". "Oh no she doesn't I said, she shouts it from her face".

One of the preachers at one of Sydney's most popular charismatic churches once told me that my father should hurry and accept Jesus as his savior. As dad is now 94 and still mowing his own lawns and looking after a hundred odd roses he is doing better than this guy thought.

My wife who was much more up on this than I was, told him (the preacher) she had already asked dad would he give his life to Jesus and he didn't answer.

She also told the preacher about when Jesus (or we presume it was him, to long a story for here) had spoken to dad, although at the time dad didn't realise it was Him.

She told the preacher that when she asked him if he believed in God he looked funnily at her, and I smiled. It was a stupid question, later he asked what she meant. Thats how sure he is that there is a God, no question about it.

Let God judge me by the same compassion that I judge, and may he judge you a little better than you judge.

I don't want to pick nits but people who send their children to schools for religious instruction are in my opinion completely selfish and irresponsible parents. It is tantamount to making way for a small uninformed mind to be brainwashed. There are so many religious nutters, do you ever wonder why?

Some parents are over bearing sanctimonious ah#l!s who don't care what their kids want as long as it fits with their plans and beliefs. They never even give them a chance. We are not born any religion. Some young people are so easily led they just never ever believe anything else. It's wrong, and I don't care who I offend.