Dear Pericles,

Thanks for your words of support.

I totally agree.

There is a breakdown in communication
when things are viewed through the
lens of extremism - no matter what the
faith.

Extremists are only interested in condemnation,
rather than explanation. Explanations seem
tantamount to sympathizing and excusing.

Extremists are not capable of reasoned debate
and will not modify their judgements.
Continued stereotyping of any group however
encourages "counter-stereotyping" and the
result is usually a complete breakdown in
communication.

Dear Pynchme,

Thanks for the sites.

This is really an interesting topic - and
has been quite an education in so many areas.

A poster on another thread said:

"Don't look at only one side of the coin ...
look at the edges too, the borders, the marks
and scratches..." ( you get the idea).

Hi Pynchme, Foxy

The recommendations of Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are indeed very good.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali spoke in support of Geert Wilders's film on Islam and the Koran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwOCUuILJIg

Wafa Sultan an ex-Muslim agrees with the Turkish prime minister (and 1.2 billion Muslims) that there is no such thing as ‘moderate’ Islam.
http://fora.tv/2009/12/01/Moderate_Islam_Western_Ally_or_Western_Myth#chapter_06

Foxy is going in circles chasing her own tail, blaming the West for provoking Islamic terrorism. She is confused and back to where she started.

Hint for Foxy. Follow Ayaan on ForaTV and she should shed some light on you regarding Islam.

Philip T while I am in Foxys bad books on this subject, others too I have followed one of your links.
Yes I am deeply concerned at the continuing radicalization of this religion.
But on seeing you anti Muslim site I think it is worthless.
Yes it is in my view bigoted.
See I have no doubts we are better than them, the extremists, no fear of them, no time for them.
But we do not need their weapons to fight them, truth has value.
Adolph Hitler had supporters in all walks of life, we may very well be living in our own 1933.
Foxy has not defended Islamists, she clearly remains the nice person she is, wanting the best from people.
Primitive age old hate, deliberate lack of education as we know it, education to hate, tell me we have another way, that we one day must confront in a war such hate and bigotry, then know humanity always has to fight in the end.

the problem is men, of this there is no doubt
the rhetoric risible, especially when men shout
to resolve empower women, with an equal rights republic
peace or global catastrophe, Australians take your pick.

Dear Mr Tang,

Thank You so much for being concerned
about my state of mind. However, I want to
re-assure you that I'm not at all confused
as you suggest. The problem is that condemnation
to you is preferable to explanation. And as I've
stated earlier - I'll leave you to it.

I have read the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Have you actually read any of them?

Dear Belly,

You in my bad books?

Never!

All I'm trying to do with this thread is present
more than a "one-eyed" view on the subject.

Whistler a thread exists saying we/me are getting a bit rude in OLO.
I offer you as evidence it is not true, your right to your opinion is a given.
But you invite such replies, what is your point?
A woman standing up for her rights could be dead before speaking in some country's.
Can not even worship with the men, may be forced to wed a much older Man.
If you care about women tell me your thoughts on the horrible lives some must lead?
Any one see that Muslim bloke preaching hate in English streets? wanting to march in protest in the streets dead soldiers came from.
in time we all will learn our good intentions are not always shared.