Agreed Pelican.They should be rewarded for growing things that trap carbon if carbon is the problem.Put a tax on coal or gas and use the money to develop solar industries.Forget the global BS,just put our own strategies in place and they will be far more effective and fair.

Kevin won't do this because he won't have the money to pay for his stimulus packages.He also is in bed with the large corporates.They don't want solar since it destroys their market and makes the consumer autonomous.This is why many are pushing nuclear since the consumer then becomes dependant upon them.The farmers are small and easy prey.Gutless comes to mind.

Pelican; Why not pay farmers for growing or maintaining established forests on their land..

Well, this is the whole problem.

I also own a large parcle of land, about 1800 ac which is heavily treed.

Now I am not allowed to clear as although my land is around 95% forrested, my region is below 30%, so tough!

Now the strange thing is that the only land holders that could get carbon credits were those who had already cleared their land and therefore could re-plant.

So in essence they were rewarded for clearing as their land values were ten fold to those not cleared and they would be rewarded again. Now that sucks!

I enquired about credits for existing forrests and was advised that that was not being considered. Figure that out!

So, I will be watching this case and I to will be claiming compensation if they have a win.

Just to put a little prospective on it.

Land that is cleared in my region sells for between $800 and $2000 per ac, while land that is not and can not be cleared sells for less than $200 per ac.

In my case alone that could be as much as $3millon difference.

Well worth fighting for hey

Not that the current encumbent is blameless but here's something that puts the origins of this way back into the Howard Era.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/12/12/carbongate-the-great-carbon-heist/

It is very clear, some of us comment without understanding of the subject
Pelican, goggle Joyce's statement on this matter, see his withdrawal after it was highlighted no country could afford the costs.
Look at the claims of a super tax and know if this bloke got his wish, costs would match that tax at least.
Understand his problem has its roots way back not today.
Raw Mustard, just as you have firmed your opinion of me, I as is my right, have firmly seen you as a hot head and too biased to debate with.
Now like it or not, this grandstanding fool, can not win, he should not win, we should not allow him to bring ten thousand others to challenge any government by blackmail.
And fellows are you all unaware farmers thousands of them, do without force leave some land as it is?
Yes without doubt some clearing rules are wrong, but this is no way to fight those laws.

What a strange case. Firstly, my understanding is that land clearing laws were enacted by various States to counteract the rampant environmental destruction caused by broadscale land clearing. That they result in reducing carbon emissions is a fortuitous by-product, but that wasn't the purpose of preventing rapacious farmers from wantonly destroying native vegetation.

Secondly, Rudd's abortion of an ETS as finally proposed and rejected specifically exempted agriculture.

While it will undoubtedly be sad for his family if this idiot starves himself to death, at least we'll be rid of another environmental vandal. Pehaps Peter the Babbler, Arjay and the other anti-environmental nutters could follow the hapless farmer's example - Alan Jones and Barnaby Joyce too!

Seriously, I have no sympathy for this attention-seeking fool, except for the fact that he's obvioulsy mentally unbalanced.

Brother Peter,
It is interesting how your forebears once farmed the highlands and produced valuable wool and meat from this safe country. It is sad now to see it locked up devoid of the grazing livestock that helped shape the environment into a safe play place for our people. It is sad now to see the woody regrowth and the subsequent bush fires that come with droughts and lightning strikes. It is sad to see the weed invasion especially the blackberries that harbour pests such as feral pigs and rabbits with no-one able to afford to control them. Our high country is turning into an expensive wasteland.
It is most sad that you have been forced to a hunger strike like Christ who had to die for our sins. The sins of the beaurocrats and voters often swayed by special interest groups who whould rather see livestock and their owners become extinct, with bush growing everywhere than a nice green grazed paddock soaking up carbon.
The clearing of land has never been a mistake. Our civilisation depends on it. The snowy mountains scheme was not a mistake - it has given us cheap clean power and water for irrigation. The locking up of land to go to waste and burn is a mistake. The waste of water for environmental purposes is a mistake. May the Holy Spirit be with you Peter and strengthen you in this time of need. The lack of publicity surrounding your hunger strike amazes me but the same happened when Christ was crucified by the ignorant crowds under cover of the Jewish passover festival. The same ignorant crowds are still here today. But Christ is truly with you Peter as He knows and owns the truth. May your family be protected by Christ as He cared for His Mother Mary and the others so long ago.
Yours in farming and brotherhood,
Disciple Dave