Yeah Ludwig, I've read all the spin from Spencer's lunar Right cheer squad, but that's all it amounts to, i.e. spin. Even according to your selective quotes there hasn't been any actual violation of the Constitution.

I'm surprised that someone like you, who claims to be an environmentalist, has been apparently taken in by this bunch of extreme right nutters. Or maybe not.

I understand that much of Spencer's support comes from the League of Rights. Have you considered joining them?

CJ, you are perplexing.

It seems to me that you are just putting up a mental brickwall to the blindingly obvious basic infringements of our rights, and not just Peter’s rights, that are inherent in his plight.

For you to do this really does seem to be at stark odds with your other humanitarian views.

But I can’t see this discussion going any further. I guess it is time to agree to disagree.

I can live with that, old mate :)