Ludwig, just so you know... when you post something like this:

<< Er, nooooooooo! >>

That's when most sensible folk turn off.

Just sayin'.

We each have self confidence and that is a good thing.
Humans also, each of us, tend to have more confidence in our opinions than those of others.
Built in to us, less some than others, is the ability to forgive our selfs for getting it wrong, we even refuse to see, we did get it wrong.
Today you only have to look to see a government well in front in the polls, an opposition, look truly at the take over of Liberalism, not likely to govern soon.
Bad opposition always leads to bad government,this fact will become more apparent in time.
But it also is human nature to grab others hobby horses and hitch a ride.
One rider may think of it as a bike the other a dragon, but both think it travels in there direction.
This thread tells us the true, pedal as much as you like the bike has no wheels, no substance.
Horse too is going up and down forever not moving.
AGW HOAX? the thread got it wrong too, a trip to no place many riders who in the end had to walk home.

What a weird little post CJ!

It is completely off-topic. And it is something that I would totally disagree with.

A bit of creative writing that places emphasis on important statements is perfectly fair and reasonable. If anything, it attracts readers’ attention rather than turning people off.

But much more importantly…..

Twice on this thread I’ve asked you about the apparent conflict between your condemnation of Peter Spencer and your non-address of my very significant point about his central gripe – the fundamental violation of our constitution and of our democratic principles inherent in the actions of government in locking up peoples’ land or vegetation to the extent of killing off their viability, without offering ANY compensation, thus leading to a grossly unfair cost for different people, from no cost in many cases to critically high costs in others.

This is an enormously important point, but one you continue to sidestep.

When you are seen to repeatedly ignore central points in the relevant debate, sensible folk turn off (:>)

Ludwig - what "fundamental violation of our constitution" exactly? Some of Spencer's loopier supporters have made this claim, but I've yet to hear what part of the Constitution has been violated.

Also, Spencer was offered compensation, but he refused it. I think you're backing a dud horse here, old son.

Sometimes silence is the most eloquent answer.
This thread died as it started, nothing less than what Ute gate was, a lie.
It too gathered its believers, they too forgot the words they used and that they got it wrong.
But it was enjoyable, and in a way informative.
we left right center and just walking a path others do not even see, are different.
But we all want to be right, and sometimes we just continue to be very wrong, rather than see truths we do not want too

<< …what "fundamental violation of our constitution" exactly? >>

A lack of fairness and morality. I mean, if we don’t hold these values with very high regard, where are we at?

These are fundamental principles in any constitution, code of conduct and democratic government, are they not?

CJ, I’m surprised that you weren’t highly interested in this aspect right from the start.

Given that you are a champion of minority groups or groups that face persecution or unfair treatment as you see it, such as asylum seekers, gays and Muslims in Australia, I would have thought that you’d be most interested in sussing out Peter Spencer’s claim that some farmers are facing a very raw deal regarding the locking up of their vegetation and productivity.

I would have thought that you’d be very interested in the basic principle of fairness regardless of who might have been pushing the issue or what the issue might have been.

See Peter’s letter to Rudd in which he expresses great concern about the fundamental breach of our constitution by the Rudd Government:

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7043

See following his letter, a letter of support from constitutional lawyer and Professor of Public Law Suri Ratnapala, who wrote:

< Your cause is the cause of every Australian who cares about the rule of law, constitutional government and political morality. >

Below this, Alastair McRobert wrote;

< Deception, lies and deceit in hand with the denial of Australian citizens Constitutional Rights and basic Human Rights by the Australian Commonwealth Government and all levels of Government has lead to New South Wales farmer Peter Spencer, taking his plea to the streets. >

See also Suri Ratnapala’s paper on constitutional vandalism in relation to vegetation management, written in 2005:

http://www.samuelgriffith.org.au/papers/html/volume17/v17chap2.html