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1500 new air-conditioners a week

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*750 kwh's Exported @ .60 cents / kw = $ 450 Paid as credit*

Ah Desmond, so in fact you are being subsidised by other
power users/taxpayers.

For of course the power company can't onsell that power for
60c.

Its a great feelgood scheme, but works by moving money from
one pocket to the other by Govt mandate, not by the fact
that solar panels can generate power at an affordable price.

So its not the answer for the rest of us.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 3:00:58 PM
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the facts on electricity are simple

generating electricity is a fixed cost business.

Peak generating output might only only needed for a few minutes a day but the cost to provide for those peaks is consistent even when a lower peak is needed.

so a bit of "fuel" might be saved but the vast majority of costs roll on regardless.

and so, with this sort of "infrastructure", regardless what you save, if the resource is there to supply the peak need when it is wanted,

whatever you do to save energy

means you are, infact, saving nothing.

the only "saving" comes from not building another power station

Hence the benefit of inter-state electricity grids.
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 3:06:46 PM
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I would say you are burying your head in the sand. If every house in au had a solar system don't you recon it would make a difference in the power generated.
I have a co generators license to supply power to the grid. The credit is payed in power imported. so if there is any money changing hands it would be at cost not retail. Germany is paying $1.20 / kwh.
The amount of roof space on industrial sheds would be ideal, and make them more power savvy.
Posted by Desmond, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 3:53:39 PM
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I'm not giving up my aircon, and chances are, if it's actually getting hotter, I'm even LESS likely to give them up.
Posted by StG, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 10:09:04 PM
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*If every house in au had a solar system don't you recon it would make a difference in the power generated.*

Indeed it would make a difference, but the cost would be so large,
that the scheme would be unsustainable and collapse.

The fact is Desmond, that the 60c or 1.20 per KW/h has little to
do with the cost of generating power and everything to do with
politics, ie Govts pretending to me doing something about climate
change.

So the politics stacks up, but the economics doesen't.

The AFR recently reviewed all the state schemes, NSW is the most
generous. But all are limited in size, to limit their cost
and other electricity users are generally wearing the tab.
When it comes to buying solar panels, the Fed Govt wears some of
the tab, but again a limited scheme for good reasons.

Before people rush off to buy solar cells to obtain subsidies,
I gather that only around 30% even use solar for hot water.
Electric hot water systems are still the norm, despite the McMansions
being built.

Desmond, rest assured that if the economics stacked up, my paddocks
would be covered with solar cells! Fact is that they don't, so
you are farming the taxpayer and electrity user for political
reasons, its not a valid economic calculation based on the fundamentals.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 10:31:19 PM
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Ludwig,
your mentioning of that Cookoo Stephen Robertson & air conditioners reminded me of Queensland's "cooler schools" program a few years ago. It was a classical bureaucratic comedy of wasting public funding. The schools on the Torres Strait islands had their louvres which were near perfect for natural ventilation, removed, the windows closed & air conditioners installed. Another school in Herberton also in far North Qld also got AC despite the fact that the Qld Dept. of Education was advised that Herberton is well over 2000 feet above sea level & needed heating rather than AC. Naturally enough, the bureaucrats looked at the map & decided that the school at Herberton is in the tropics so therefore needed AC. ? Back on the islands which have great breezes all the power stations had to have larger diesel motors installed. Now, everyone expresses concern at the rising sea levels.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 12:12:51 AM
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