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How to demonstrate your sincerity as a global warming 'sceptic'
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Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 7 December 2009 8:29:44 AM
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Stevenlmeyer “Sincerity” is not some divine state to aspire to
Objectivity is a far more useful thing but we seem to have a bunch of pseudo scientists (and pseudo people) who are overdosing on hubris to tell us we are both individually and collectively responsible for “Global Warming”. Imho I think those who postulate the “sincerity” of others viz-a viz the myth of “AGW” should get their hand out of their shorts and find something useful to do with it like picking their nose or ear or other orifice. Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 7 December 2009 9:40:28 AM
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Over the past couple decades globalists like Al Gore and Maurice Strong have used the cloak of pseudo climate science as their veil. Now that ‘climategate’ has removed the curtain and shone the light on the slithering cockroaches within the backrooms of climate cookbookery, there is no longer any debate about the science. The only thing that now exists is laid bare before our eyes – a deliberate attempt to subjugate the people of the earth to global governance under the guise of science.
As the newly ‘elected’ EU President Von Rompuy puts it: “2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.” http://www.infowars.com/who-will-stand-up-against-the-coming-global-climate-tyranny/ Former UNEP-Chieftain and Bilderberger Admitted to “International Consensus” on Population Policy Linked population to integrated/..long-term approaches to environmental problems. http://www.infowars.com/former-unep-chieftain-and-bilderberger-admitted-to-international-consensus-on-population-policy/ i thought of haarp..as i noticed the hot spot here...on top of australia noting that hot spot...is where OUR HAARP is http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/Global_Monsoons/Global-Monsoon.shtml it also occurs.. to me that these...fires on the north pole could be attempting to melt some ice...noting nz has recently built one look at the hot spots...on the link again also there was a linkage..between china making snow...then britan getting floods a week later...then india near the same time...[i was looking...am looking for last mths weather front movment...in the northern hemi/sphere...to back that up but think how come our haaarp sone is so hot? our rain comes from the indian oceon...heat from the haarp hot spot...stops it falling...thus the droudt...from the haarp http://www.infowars.com/carbon-capitalists-warming-to-climate-market-using-derivatives/ http://www.infowars.com/wake-up-america/ http://www.infowars.com/un-defends-scientists-over-leaked-emails/ http://www.infowars.com/gore-copenhagen-targets-not-tough-enough/ http://www.infowars.com/schwarzenegger-googles-schmidt-push-climate-change-agenda/ http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-and-steve-milloy-on-climategate/ http://www.infowars.com/yahoo-threatens-cryptome-over-leaked-surveillance-document/ Posted by one under god, Monday, 7 December 2009 10:18:01 AM
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Well speaking of OBJECTIVITY Col Rouge,
Let's start with some OBJECTIVITY about simple physics. "Greenhouse" gases like CO2 absorb infrared photons. Some of these are reradiated earthwards. Thus, some IR energy that would have been radiated out into space gets sent back to Earth. This experiment from the BBC website illustrates the point: See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8394168.stm?ls This is OBJECTVE physics. Everything else being equal the effect of "greenhouse" gas insulation has to be to raise the equilibrium temperature of the Earth. That is an OBJECTIVE fact. Or, OBJECTIVELY speaking what do YOU imagine happens to the heat energy that gets radiated back to Earth? --Do little elves gather it up and feed it to Santa's reindeer? --Does it vanish into one of the curled-up dimensions that string theory postulates? --Or might it do what common sense says – raise the equilibrium temperature of the Earth? In real life things are never equal. Climate is complex and there will be positive and negative feedback loops set up. Ultimately however add enough insulating gases to the Earth's atmosphere and you increase equilibrium temperature. Unless you can come up with an alternative OBJECTIVE explanation for what happens to the heat energy that CO2 and other greenhouse gases reradiate earthwards, preferably one that does not involve elves, you have to concede that the net effect is to raise the equilibrium temperature of the surface of the Earth. Let's take it from there and have an OBJECTIVE discussion. Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 7 December 2009 10:19:55 AM
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Stevenlmeyer - You probably think you are funny, and you are but not in the way you think. Here is a clue Google "Amusing" and "Strange" and have a think.
Why space is wasted on your narcissistic ramblings is beyond me but I will not miss any opportunity to help you as I feel it adds to my positive Karma. Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 7 December 2009 10:21:07 AM
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If you want to prove you are a genuine skeptic just look at facts rather than blind deceitful dogma thrown at us by corrupt scientist who employ gullible Governments and high priests to do their bidding.
Posted by runner, Monday, 7 December 2009 10:28:27 AM
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Your body gets its energy in the form of food. The Earth gets its energy from the sun, mostly in the form of visible light.
While utilising food your body generates heat. Your body is hotter than ambient temperature. Actually your body works hard to maintain a temperature of +-37 Celsius.
In bed on a cold night your body starts cooling down, sometimes too much. You may retard the heat loss by wrapping yourself in insulation in the form of pyjamas or blankets. The insulation does not generate heat but it retards the heat loss sufficiently to raise the equilibrium temperature of your body.
The side of the Earth that faces away from the sun also experiences heat loss. Energy in the form of infrared radiation is radiated into space. If there were not some sort of insulation the heat loss every night would kill most life forms.
Fortunately for us the Earth has an insulation layer in the form of "greenhouse" gases – mainly CO2 and water vapour. They really should be called blanket gases because their action is more akin to the actions of a blanket than a greenhouse. They retard the radiation of heat into space and raise the equilibrium temperature of the Earth The blanket gases stop many life forms freezing to death every night.
But if you're a climate change "sceptic" you don’t believe in the physics of insulation. To prove your sincerity you may not use any blankets or pyjamas no matter how cold the night. You have to lie naked on your bed. If for some reason you don’t want to be naked a pair of "budgie smugglers" is acceptable; but nothing more.
You may insulate your house against draughts to protect you against the wind chill factor, but not against heat loss.
If you do this I shall believe your sincerity. If you insulate your body on a cold night you're either confused or a hypocrite.