Kalin1, all

The problem is that the scepics/denialists are usually one and the same. They just *don't WANT* to know. I and others have posted numerous objective explanations of the PROVEN, undisputed, science involved.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9806&page=0#157571
http://geoflop.uchicago.edu/forecast/docs/lectures.html.

The bottom line is that the denialists et sec want to re-write Physics or more specifically ignore the SCIENCE (not opinion)in favour of what?

FYI An opinion should be based on facts otherwise it is just prejudice.

I and others acknowledge where the areas of debate are i.e. is the precise when,how and by how much (even that is within tolerances), *modeling*.

AGW has at the very worse has the smoking gun *too much* CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
CO2's greenhouse capability is in its chemical structure.

The sources for these greenhouse gases are known and can be reasonably calculated as can the sinks, the natural uptake processes and capacity over time.

The EAU CRU 'scandal' isn't a breaker, because it doesn't effect the *Science* merely a limited amount of analysis from *one of many sources*. The raw data is widely available and unaffected.

I challenge any denier/sceptic to argue their case on *relevant* SCIENCE i.e. prove the science in chemistry, biology, glaciology etc. this includes all universities, the met offices, NASA etc but GW and AGW are wrong. All because some journalists and other science illiterate people say so? So far no credible argument has been mounted.

NB Paleogeology is of *peripheral*, if any relevance, at all.
Primarily their time frame is in a scale that precludes such small time frames necessary for this debate

Kalin, don't worry about Examinator, he thinks he has a direct connection to god, & therefore knows everything. I think the voices he hears come from somewhere else, perhaps his head.

He knows everything about defence too, although I never saw him at any of those appreciation of the situation courses at the college.

I know it's a bit painful when he keeps repeating the same spin that's now proven fraud, he even still believes in the Hocky Stick, although I don't know which of their cons in that area he still likes.

It must be hard for true believers, there is so little of their stuff left that isn't tainted beyond redemption.

He might still be unlucky enough th get his wish, of a poorer future. Those bast4rd pollies do appear to be going to try to brazen this thing through. I used to believe that pollies worried about their place in history, but not this lot it seems, unless they want to be remembered as doing more harm, to more people than Starlin. I wonder.