Examinator,
I agree that whoever takes on the leadership now would not be expected to be the one to take them to their next "winnable" election.

I can't understand why Hockey would realistically consider installment now for that reason - and also, wouldn't he lose all credibility if he acquiesced to the puppet masters and reneged on the ETS deal?

I think he'd be crazy to have his head swayed into taking on the leadership at this stage.

we pass..the tax..IMMEDIATLY...but with a sunset-clause...for a full reviuw...in 2012...with the true/numbers

this..gets us out of..the immediate meltdown...that will force our best leaders..into treason...in copenhagen

...BUT THE SUNSET CLAUSE...must be set in stone
'business'..gets/what they want....immediatly...to test their way...BUT we/HAVE A FULL YEAR,..TO REVIEUW...this gloobal warming deception...put it all on trial...in 2 year's...it is bound to fail...because its based..on lies...

its based on fraud...bad/modeling and altered facts...and media silence...and govt complicity..into treason

see/the collapse of capitalism...its tortally/totally/broke

the banker's... been calling the tune...you should allready know...
were under the terms of bankruptcy..thus govt has become subverted...the system is broke

the new tax is only to try and push a broken system..
into its next bubble...regradless of its cost...

they are in total/global control..there is a better way...we dont/need the buirdon...they need this bailout[the..carbon/tax]

but its bound to fail...un-employed dont spend much..so here is the new deal

http://www.prisonplanet.com/momentum-grows-for-copenhagen-climate-deal.html

http://www.infowars.com/hot-climategate-debate-scientists-clash-live-on-rt/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-master-criminal-phil-jones-collected-22-6-million-in-grants.html

http://www.infowars.com/gore-says-supercomputing-can-be-killer-app-in-climate-change/

Climate change:..this is the worst scientific/scandal of our generation
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

Scientists..at the University of East Anglia..(UEA)..have admitted..throwing away..much of the raw temperature data..on which their predictions of global warming..are based.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-spells-end-to-the-false-science-of-climate-change.html

Climategate:..The Silence is Deafening..from the Corporate Media
http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-the-silence-is-deafening-from-the-corporate-media.html

By now..most of us..in the alternative media.are aware of the some 61 megabytes..of global warming research data of emails,..documents,..and computer code..released by whistleblowers

that have exposed/climate scientists,..at the University of East Anglia in Great Britain,..as the frauds..they’ve proven themselves to be.

“Climategate”..surpasses..“Global Warming”.on Google
http://www.prisonplanet.com/%e2%80%9cclimategate%e2%80%9d-surpasses-%e2%80%9cglobal-warming%e2%80%9d-on-google.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-for-dummies.html

Lord Monckton:..Shut Down The UN,..Arrest Al Gore
http://www.prisonplanet.com/lord-monckton-shut-down-the-un-arrest-the-warmist-criminals.html

Appearing..on The Alex Jones-Show..yesterday,..Lord Christopher Monckton..went further than ever before..in his vehement opposition to..the elitists..running the climate change..scam,

http://www.prisonplanet.com/more-on-the-niwa-new-zealand-data-adjustment-story.html

UN scientists..turn on each other:..UN Scientist..Declares Climategate colleagues Mann,Jones and Rahmstorf..’should be barred from the IPCC process’..They are..‘not credible/..any more’

http://climatedepot.com/a/4100/UN-scientists-turn-on-each-other-UN-Scientist-Declares-Climategate-colleagues-Mann-Jones-and-Rahmstorf-should-be-barred-from-the-IPCC-process--They-are-not-credible-any-more

A UN scientist..is declaring..that his three fellow UN climate/panel colleagues..“should be barred..from the IPCC process.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-great-climate-change-science-scandal.html

lots of key-word links
http://www.prisonplanet.com/un-scientists-turn-on-each-other-un-scientist-declares-climategate-colleagues-mann-jones-and-rahmstorf-should-be-barred-from-the-ipcc-process-they-are-not-credible-any-more.htm

one under god, sorry bloke, know gee I do know, it would be better to flick past your posts.
Well like most I do mostly, but you are kidding are you not?
Conspiracy in Copenhagen?
But I just must challenge you on this, are you in fact a Liberal front bencher?
Or do you right speech's for them?
You are not Nick Minchin are you?
I am welded on Labor, and understand this mess is great for my mob, three terms for sure now.
But it is dreadful, horrible, for AUSTRALIA.
No one can take this opposition as an alternative government, poor Hockey, nice bloke, but like an apple picked far before being ready to ripen is being killed off tomorrow, by mugs.

What planet do you live on . Definitely not the one I live on. A double minded Man is unstable in all his ways. Kevin Rudd is double minded, so is Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey aspears to be the same.
They believe in God and also in evolution. Try to have a foot on both sides of the fence and you get a sore crutch, but then again I suppose it takes your mind of reality. As we elect carasmatic leaders we soon lose touch with reality. I see someone is advocating we should be pleased to part with our money for the climate change scam because it might be right. In my book that is thieft not smart for a fool and his money are soon parted. Dream on boys

You just don’t get it you need democracy first, before you start raving on about the policy makers, who are going to do what exactly? Feather their nests?
I am still waiting on the challenge sent to find the Australian constitution link?
Then when you do, or should I say if you do, you might consider adding bill of rights so orstralians can become a one of the few true democracies in the world i.e. similar to the USA.
Without a bill of rights how are you going to get political reform?
You don’t have the means to mount a challenge to the existing government.
You ossies are so ignorant when it comes to political reform. I dare say that’s something that black Africa Americans understand above all else, btw the majority of which vote republican.