Suzeonline
Men are the violent ones? Well read this link

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6535110/mum-encourages-daughter-to-assault-girl/

Now can we all just once and for all accept that violence is occurring at an ever increasing rate?

Can we all just address violence at all levels instead of the gender issue because young women and girls are becoming more violent than yound men and boys?

Something is seriously amiss with our society and the Governments are not helping and niether are we while we argue back and forwards on a gender based issue

Now what can we collectively do to lower this violence in society?

The start would be to begin with full equality and work with the children and for the children

It is a bit hard to change the past that being the older generations but if we all pull together maybe we can leave a society that is better enriched with equality and harmony for the children coming after us

Thanks for your time
Dave

CJ,

'men commit most of the serious violence, so it's up to men to speak out against it.'

Muslims commit most of the terrorist acts, so it's up to Muslims to speak out against terrorism?

R0bert,

Ever heard of a sense of humour?

Missus,

So men are dogs who need to be trained?;-)

pynchme,

What more do you want. I've already sacrificed all my principles to get behind WRD. Does it ever occur to you that men who object are just being contrary and don't like being manipulated by the raising awareness industry or emotionally blackmailed into apologising for their gender? I reject the men's 'oneinthree' campaign on the same grounds. I'm consistent. Do you support the 'oneinthree' lot, or do you have principled objections to anything they do?

Do you support all the men's rights groups because helping some men is more important than your principles or the group's actions and raising awareness tactics as a whole? I think it's up to women to stand up and be counted and denounce all women who falsely accuse men of violence in custody disputes. Only when women denounce this kind of manipulation can it be eradicated.

When I see some effort and thought expended in addressing the wider incidence of false accusations of violence, then I will feel more confidence in women's commitment (haven't even seen that yet) against this. Right now all I see is self-justifying BS, very possibly from women who have made false accusations of violence already. Manipulators of the system that is there to protect women are well known for minimizing their responsibility for the damage they do.

CJMorgan:"The only thing that will reduce violence against women in our society is when men collectively condemn it"

Men already collectively condemn it. Not a single poster here has said anything that indicates approval of violence directed at women.

Yet still men and women continue to suffer violence. Obviously your theory is fatally flawed.

Now off you toddle and do a bit more "shunning", or perhaps you could stand on the highway waving your pinky to show everyone what a big d!ck you are. Oops, no need, you live in a small community - everyone already knows.

Cornflower:"What about getting some mates together locally and have a go at setting up a men's shed or something similar?"

Very difficult to do without involvement from one of the churches or some other recognised community group. I have tried a couple of times and it is difficult to satisfy the funding bodies without a guaranteed "support base" such as churches can provide. The churches will rarely support an organisation which is avowedly secularist when they can set up their own version and proselytise within it.

As well, the churches have the infrastructure to provide counsellors, trainers, management staff, etc, which independent groups are often struggling with and which funding bodies look very favourably upon when assessing applications.

The huge success of Feminism has been in setting up the support and funding networks that they have. They give enormous power that is separate from any of the current institutions, yet exerts influence on them all. It's a truly impressive achievement.

Pynchme
"Womens violence seemed to be a form of resistance to being controlled or subdued. Mens violence seemed to intend to exert control and dominance."

So when a couple haver different opinions about an issue, the man is being controlling while the woman is resisting being controlled. Negative stereotyping of men isn't going to win too many men over.

There may well be men on OLO who have had AVOs taken out against them. I'm sure that there will be alot more men with AVOs wearing white ribbons. People who post here at least take the business of being ethical seriously, even if we have different ideas. Perhaps you would prefer the Facebook crowd, who join advocacy groups and go for token efforts like wearing white ribbons.

CJ
"The only thing that will reduce violence against women in our society is when men collectively condemn it."

Pressure from others can help, but it is far from the only thing that should be done. The data about violence from females shows that they have a big role in escilating most of these conflicts and therefore need to learn skills to deal with conflicts in other ways. Secondly, telling these blokes that its all there fault isn't going to make them listen as others attempt to discuss other ways that they could deal with these conflicts. Lastly, we need to make sure that the resolution of this conflict doesn't provide the seed for the next arguement. All of the legal advantages given to women cause more conflict than they stop IMHO.

Suze

Mechanics rip-off people who are professionals, because they don't think they are entitled to their money in the first place. Most feminists are professionals and are targeted for this reason, not their gender.

I think when there's attitudes like this to domestic violence against men it would be a good thing that violence against men be included in this WRD...

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9743#156832

'Big strong unfaithful Tiger is well able to look after himself and doesn't need all the women-haters of the world feeling sorry for him and his little wounds- poor baby!'

Outright ridicule of a man being attacked by a woman with a golf club.

Houellebecq,
<'men commit most of the serious violence, so it's up to men to speak out against it.'
Muslims commit most of the terrorist acts, so it's up to Muslims to speak out against terrorism?>
I agree with the point you’re trying to make but it’s a false analogy.

No right-thinking man would justify violence against women.
Real men would condemn it.
Perhaps that’s the point that CJ was trying to make.
However, men do not have the obligation to publicly repudiate violence against women because there is no doctrine of manhood which advocates it.

However, it is up to Muslims to speak out against terrorism because Islamic doctrine justifies terrorism (Koran 8:60).
In fact, Islamic doctrine justifies violence against women who disobey their husbands (Koran 4:34).
And there’s the bind.
The very few Muslims who do speak out against Islamic terrorism don’t have any Islamic doctrine to back them up, apart from decontextualised Koranic verses which have furthermore been abrogated by later verses.
Those few Muslims who do speak out are, in fact, heretics and it is not surprising that many of them live in fear of the threat which awaits Islamic apostates, as justified by the Koran.
Such brave ex-Muslim women include Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali et al.

You can watch Arab-American psychiatrist Wafa Sultan talking about the status of women in Islam at this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ough-e6ThWE