Pynchme,
"This mob is proposing that - if we just leave everyone's safety up to their point of view; coz it's unfair to be saying that women get hurt more (even though they do) - that ALL violence will be addressed. BUT they haven't got one step; not taken ONE step towards stopping any violence at all."

I have been trying to bring the attention to "This Mob" to stop the gender fight and start looking at the CAUSE of the violence, only one drug has continued to climb in use at the rate of violence, that being Alcohol, which it is claimed is involved in 85-90% of violence

Now we have a population that has severe depression across it and it is known that Alcohol is a "self medicator" don't you think that the two may run hand in hand?

All violence must be addressed, the same as All stolen and abused children must be addressed, not the isolation of one

If all of the stolen generations were addressed both Koorie and White it would have taken a lot less time to bring attention to,if all stolen and abused children were addressed then it would have been easier to bring attention to.

Don't you and others think it is time he said, she said, you said, I said,and it became WE said to the Governments to start to address the concerns of THIS Nation and stop the preaching to the rest of the world until we clean up our own back yard

When WE can progress from Me,You,He,She, mentality then things will change

Quote, "Give me the People, I will give you a World"

People are both Male and Female

Thanks From
Dave

suzeonline, you might want to get you're fact's right & stop using psychological suggestion to get your opinion across because you sound just like the feminist lobbyist that supports this child molesting campaign. I do not hate women. I hate what women do to others in order to get their pathetic self centered way & hide like cowards that they are in the process. Had you paid attention to my other post's, you would have noticed that I support equity & equality & that is especially for women, who are treated as second rate citizens under the religious/political cover of mental illness (RMI). Equal pay & equal rights is the cure to most of the discussion that has gone on here. It's a shame you really are that involved in your religious belief's that you can't see the reality but only the figment of your imagination.

suzeonline,
<Car mechanics tell you the truth>
Take a car maintenance course.
<The world is your urinal>
Get a P-Mate.
<Same work, more pay>
Work harder, in a more demanding job.
<Wrinkles add character>
Dye your hair grey to match your wrinkles.
<People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them>
It must be fairly impressive. Any chance of a look?
<The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades>
Shave your head as I do.
<You only have to shave your face and neck>
I like hairy women.
<You can play with toys all your life>
Find some toys that interest you and join the club.
Hope this helps.
Problem solved.
And you wonder why men rule the world!

Pynchme and others.

IMHO The reasons we don't have any coherent plans/strategies to overcome violence are complex.
The answers are in our Religiously influenced 'culture'.

It is arguably in the nature of humans to seek security in an emotional understanding (beliefs) of the 'big picture'. These beliefs tend to be formalised in some form of religion with a dogma.

Most of our gender stereotypes emanate from 'the Bible', Koran, some static 'allegedly' divine inspired written/verbal religious tradition.

Have gained or been inculcated with that emotional safety blanket, we are reluctant to change, and will go to extraordinary ends to defend/justify those beliefs (DV, violence, toxic discrimination etc).

By the time we come to the practical application of day to day perceived gender roles (and power structures), we are dealing with both religiously influenced conditioning and human emotions. Not surprisingly logic and reason doesn't play a huge part in this it is a matter of gradual change. Consequently, they are almost impossible to separate.

It is easier, not necessarily better, to deal with it by playing on the emotions via symbolism and vulnerability, targeting (squeaky wheel).
Simply put, it would be too big a task to try and change attitudes on anything as significant as emotional (comfort zone) religiously influenced cultural beliefs, in one step. Consequently we have, as I said before, stages. WRD is just one of those essential stages.

If anything, I and others are advocating, we move to the next step.
not necessarily bucketing WRD.
Sadly, the effectiveness is being compromised by the plethora of ribbon days.

Generally speaking people have a hierarchy and tolerance level of causes, because dealing with the lot becomes overwhelming. Not surprisingly we tend to identify with those causes that are closest to us personally.

What to do about it is another topic.

Discrimination based on sex another issue.

Violence..well

I have this lovely male killer dog wrapped around my feet atm. The occasional lick of the feet:) He will use his violence to protect me. men are the same, so their natural aggression/risk taking behaviour can be useful. Yet some dogs turn on their owners, sometimes from being driven to distraction or sometimes because it is a mind snap.

Any dog be it male or female can cause conflict in the home. The neighbours also may call the authorities if incessant barking is disrupting the peace.

Our female dog emits a low level growl when other dogs pass by, we eventually discovered, that sends our black male killer dog into physco mode. She sets him off, he gets into trouble. Ah she is the smart one.

So yes men are more violent but then we also want them to fight our wars in the main, crash tackle each other in sport, and be the ones sneaking around at night with the baseball bat. So yes they are more violent. Blame them hormones.

The important thing is that it is not culturally acceptable to use violence against women. So any problems we have is very similiar to having a poorly socialised dog.

Then we normally blame the owners. Parents, family, society?
It certainly has nothing to do with ribbons.

Pynchme, "As CJ said, the first important thing about WRD is that it's men stating their commitment to oppose all types of violence against women."

CJ might say that but as demonstrated by how he says he deals with suspected domestic violence in his home town, saying is very different to doing.

WRD is about the politics of the women's movement and DV in particular. It is about maintaining a gender difference for funding and grants. In this, Pynchme presents as an unashamed advocate for a particular position and so be it.

However there others who believe that there are common threads running through violence and anti-social acts including intimate partner violence, or family violence. Nothing can change and a lot of resources stand to be wasted until there is disciplined study at a national level of the causes of violence and there is a national strategy to deal with it. Photo events like WRD allow national government to sidestep its responsibilities and blame a gender. Similarly CJ sidesteps his responsibilities every time he sneers at a man he assumes to be a wife beater and does nothing else except ostracise him:

CJ, "Where I live White Ribbon Day is a non-event. However, my community is small enough that those few men who are violent towards women are easily identified and effectively ostracised."

It is that sort of selfish and judgemental "I'm alright, Jack and others can look out for themselves", along with sweeping problems under the carpet through doing nothing that has to be challenged.

The Missus hit the nail squarely on the head when she talked about the need for empowerment and not encouraging dependence and victim-hood. WRD has the wrong emphasis and the decision-makers who sign oaths (why don't the women sign too?) go back to doing whatever they were doing, feeling self-righteously proud they have done something whereas nothing has been achieved at all.