Cont'd:

Are they are doing anything or proposing ANYTHING positive to help men rebuild their lives or helping to reduce violence ? I am not in a gender war against men; I want to do whatever I can to reduce violence - man-man rape and child sexual assault especially of boys, are a couple of my particular interests in that area.

I have waited for years for any of those organizations to come up with some strategies. All I've seen so far is attack on anyone and anything that enables women and children to escape abuse or that confronts actual abusers. If the organizations see that step-fathers/mothers' boyfriends are a problem re: safety of children - where is any concern or proposal for action about that?

Why are your menz groups not actively opposing physical and sexual abuse of children ? If you all honestly believe that women are primarily responsible, are your menz groups helping men to identify potential perpetrators and working out ways to ensure that children are safe and that they feel safe to disclose abuse? Why are your menz groups not advocating alongside feminists for court procedures that make it possible for children's evidence to be taken with a minimum of trauma?

- and so on.

Cornflower: If you have a lot of knowledge and advice on how to proceed to stop other people being abusive and all; is there any reason why you can't collaborate with people in the menz organizations to put those strategies into action. That is; why not do something positive.

Belly, 'Zam and CJ: Thank goodness for blokes like yourselves.

For a start Sex discrimination must stop at all Government levels The FACSIA Minister just happens to be the Minister for Womens Affairs
Where is the equal counterpart for men? Minister for Mens Affairs
There was the question raised not long ago about women in the Armed Forces being allowed to fight on the front line, to try to answer, Why
All had to be careful in choosing their words as to say it just ain't right does not answer the question and the moment someone tries to answer the extreme Feminist movement began to scream sex discrimination, are all the women that want to shoot and kill men only in the armed forces?
Now the stupidity out of the way it seems we have got to the common purpose that all violence has got to stop
To do this we need to set a common goal and that goal should be the children
Then what is already in place for the women should just be duplicated for the men as shouldn't men and children have the same support as the women and children?
So in all equality the WRD should be stop violence day and all adds should just depict violence no gender format
Thought to end, back to the stupidity a woman on enemy front lines aims a gun at all those that say no violence against women going to just stand there and let that woman shoot them? This world is in conflict in all areas and all levels

Thanks
from Dave

Quite right Pynchme. With all these people opposing and denigrating white ribbon day on this thread, where are their ideas to help all victims of violence?

Many of these bitter posters are angry about WRD because it is said to portray men as the principal violence perpetrators in our society.

I see it as a way to alert all of us to the often hidden domestic violence issues in homes. What does it matter who the perpetrator is?
As long as the victims know that it is wrong and are empowered to speak out to prevent it or have the abuser punished, then surely that is a good thing?

Anyone who opposes a day like WRD should be seen as someone who condones this sort of violence. If they want to highlight another form of violence in our society, then go ahead. It's all good.

I don't believe that women cause more domestic violence than men, nor do I see evidence of this in our hospitals.
So, if there are men being bashed by women in a domestic environment willynilly out there, then they aren't being hurt enough to warrant as much medical assistance as the women in our hospitals.

The most prevalent and serious injuries I see in the hospital system are caused by men to men violence.
Why don't the menz groups focus on this instead of denigrating groups seeking to highlight hidden domestic violence?

suzeonline, "I see it as a way to alert all of us to the often hidden domestic violence issues in homes. What does it matter who the perpetrator is?"

I agree and the abuse doesn't always happen in homes because the offender can be living elsewhere (is 'domestic' misleading?) and may not even be the spouse of the victim. Violence between same sex couples is not unknown either. It is not uncommon to hear that investigating police have laughed off complaints of same sex violence.

A more encompassing term that reflects the modern situation would be Intimate Partner Violence (IPV). This would also remove any complaints of gender bias while including same sex complaints and retaining the emphasis on violence against women.

My preference would be for Intimate Relationship Violence (IRV) which would include the young and elderly victims and where it is certain that under-reporting is rife.

This broad net would encourage national research of causes and provide real incentive and pressure for political cooperation on solutions.

men are responsible for all violence that occurs in Australia
because Australia's Constitution mandates that all men control all women.
violence perpetrated by women is the responsibility of male management,
a responsibility some men shirk with a vengeance.
the provision of a women's legislature would relieve men of responsibility
for the management of women.

Still full of rage about this I am honored to be from the trade union movement, far more than honored to have my blokes/members trust me.
No not ever comrades just mates, no not lefty just Aussie.
I got involved because I care, about every one in trouble.
About fairness, for all, bosses too.
Do you understand this day for me and my union is not about women?
They my leader, a young bloke on his way to greatness is behind this as a message to men.
White ribbon day is not about inflicting pain on men, we are asked on this day to take the pledge.
To say violence against women is wrong, always.
I must admit, sorry honesty has far more value to me than popularity, I find it hard to support extreme feminism.
Extreme anything.
But some extreme posts here sicken me.
No woman EVER should be bashed, no man either, if RObert wants this day to become for all violence I have no problems in supporting that.
But bashed men , I am sure never wanted to high jack this day, be little it, to highlight their problems.
Unfair laws in divorce, biased towards women, has bugger all to do with wife bashing.