Pynchme, " that straight after Hasbeen's comment indicating complete denial of violence against women" - just where in that post did Hasbeen deny that violence against women occurs.

That's one of my frustrations with these discussion, how often what someone has written is totally misrepresented. I don't know the context of Hasbeen's post but there is nothing in what he said in the post before mine which directly references violence against women and no denial's that it occurs.

A deliberate misrepresentation, reading into it what you want to see or is there an obvious context which I've missed?

R0bert

RObert
I wasn't arguing men support the actual violence occuring just that many are disparaging about campaigns to support women in DV situations. It wasn't until the 60s/70s that women facing DV in the home were told to lump it - there were no refuges and even family attitudes were of the "you made your bed lie in it" approach.

My point is that the comments about women are becoming more bitter on OLO and denigrating a program that seeks to help women specifically by uttering nonsense about a conspiracy to gain public funding is just not helpful in the goal of protecting people from violent situations.

What I guess I am hoping for (in a perfect world sigh) is rather than denigrate WRD look at more positive ways of raising the profile of DV towards men. I admit I don't know how serious the problem is, only the men who are in these situations can tell their stories.

Men don't help their case by being adversarial towards women (and those dreaded feminists) - rather spend energy helping men and creating groups to support men. Nobody likes to think badly of their own gender and I can understand that men equally don't enjoy being painted as the 'bad' guys, we need to move away from gender bashing exercies.

I know this is already happening and all kudos to those who work helping victims of DV regardless of gender.

R0bert: << That's one of my frustrations with these discussion, how often what someone has written is totally misrepresented. >>

I note that you said absolutely nothing about Cornflower's and Antiwomen's blatant and dishonest distortions of my comments a couple of posts back.

As Pynchme says, it's clear that White Ribbon Day is more relevant than ever, in the face of such entrenched, dishonest and one-eyed opposition. And let's not forget that it's an initiative devised by men - as opposed to those dreadful feminists that most of you love to hate - and further that it's directed at all violence against women, not just 'domestic violence'.

And let's not forget also that the vast majority of serious violence committed against both women and men is perpetrated by men.

Anti,

Oh for Goodness sake! Some times you talk such rot.
Not everybody that disagrees with your stance is influenced by propaganda, that simply insults other peoples experience and intelligence.

If you read my posts you will discover I too have suffer greatly at expense of a few vindictive/opportunist women. Daughter estrangement loss of everything, etc. Then there has been false claims and loss of career, lawsuits against another not including as a manager, had to deal with dubious nasty mischief making etc from some right royal bitches.

Do I need point out, that the apparent difference is that, objectivity and focus on the the cause(rs), not all women

CJ
"And let's not forget that it's an initiative devised by men "

That is the problem. The psychopaths running the asylum that create social disorder never are the ones to stand up and admit they were wrong. That they are the architects of dysfuntion. The wrong men.

Indigenous women are 45 times more likely to be victims of violence. Why? because the very same mentality that prefers to re-inforce the negativity of victimhood were running that show as well.

We are all victims if we wish to be. Once we have earned 45 billion dollars we can go cry on TV how we are a "survivor". What joy.

Meanwhile I am over the fat Tarzans of this world thumping their chest while they swing between different trees reminding the monkeys how cruel it is they have no banana.

men boss over women, that's the law.
a boss who can't distinguish between violence perpetrated by a boss against another boss,
violence perpetrated by a boss against an employee and violence perpetrated by an employee
against another employee wouldn't last two minutes in a modern workplace.
neither would a male who seeks to replace white ribbon day with an 'end to violence against
everyone day' last two minutes amongst men.
such a male has abrogated all reponsibility to women, the rule of law and the nation.