Have a look at the arguments and sh/t fighting going on on this forum and nobody has worked out how to stop violence
Violence is the end result of mental endurance for that, that a mind cannot handle in the conscious reasoning
Now transfer all the arguing on this forum and place it in a single home with all the criticism and name calling put downs etc
Then stop and think if this is going on for continued sustained time then what is going to result
Now consider this I have tried to bring my son home to his mother and father because that is what that child wanted
I put up with a woman that was/is sleeping with anyone at anytime year in year out going off assaulting police fighting and arguing all the time and yet I am the one that is still trying to see my son and the one that is fighting for my very freedom all because of the sh/t that she caused
Thanks from
Dave

pynchme:"Until now all the Menz sites have been focused on dismantling any means of redress, safety or escape for women and children in danger."

What utter tosh. Perhaps the dumbest thing you've ever written here and the benchmark is very high indeed.

pynchme:"I would like to see what strategies they're proposing."

No you wouldn't, you'd like to derail the discussion. Regardless of what the response to you is, you will regurgitate the same demented misandric pap.

Cornflower, excellent characterisation of CJMorgan. I hope he gets over his fear of men eventually.

Dave, where did you get those stats? I don't dispute them, but an attribution is usually considered polite.

The whole point of this discussion is to get rid of the whole gender war as you put it. Once the White Ribbon Campaign becomes the International Day for the Elimination of All Forms of Violence I'll be behind it 100%. I can't support a manbashing campaign, especially one so corrupted as this one is. If I were the PM, I'd be embarrassed, but I guess politicians have no shame, do they?

Houellebecq, a truly noble sacrifice.

Examinator:"what I don't follow is, why it has to be a matter of principal? "

The principle is that of equity in a democratic society. If one class of victims of a particular crime is worthy of assistance, all victims of that crime are. Are you truly unable to grasp that point?

Furthermore, by focussing exclusively on women, we provide a way for vindictive women to attack non-violent male partners via claims of violence.

Anti,
Are you saying that by making white ribbon day about Domestic violence vindictive women wouldn't or (be able to) be vindictive?
That is an incredibly long bow, if that is your point.

If one was to do a synthesis of my posts since I first arrived at OLO you would find that I have been an advocate for de-gendering the law by means of de-sexualising it. However, one needs to look deeper to the causes for these biases. Evidence seems to suggest it is largely due to religious influenced cultural mores.

However, in the real world, I tend to think that any changes along those lines will happen in stages and should be viewed from that perspective.

IMO women generally still get the rough end of the pineapple, but there will always be exceptions. I am wary about reacting on extremes.

Up untill now, it has been a generalised leveling up process. To me WRD is part of that process.

Examinator:"Are you saying that by making white ribbon day about Domestic violence vindictive women wouldn't or (be able to) be vindictive?"

I'll try to answer the question I think you were trying to ask...

WRD is one manifestation of the way in which our society treats the subject of violence. By focussing almost solely on violence againt women, we allow those women who wish to manipulate the system a very powerful weapon to use against a man. As Chief Justice Diana Bryant understands, claims of violence are not always based on anything more than a desire for an advantage in Family Court negotiations.

Examinator:"IMO women generally still get the rough end of the pineapple, "

The propagandists will be glad to hear it, it means they're being successful.

As Goebbels said, if you're going to tell a lie, make it a BIG one and no one will dare contradict you.

Antiseptic,
If you had of taken the time and decency to read the link that Foxy so decently posted and I acknowledged, Thursday, 26 November 2009 6:06:50 PM, you would be aware of where those stats came from.
That link being:-

http://www.dadsontheair.net/doweignoreviolenceagainstmen/

Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 8:24:01 PM,

Further if people would take the time to read the link:-

http://www.aussielegal.com.au/informationoutline~SubtopicDetailsID~811.htm

then you would see what is inferred by mental and Psychological Torture and the defence of Provocation

Again Foxy I thank you for that link, and I am not condoning violence least of all towards some one that is often smaller(female) but also male

But by that link I supplied, people will may be able to understand that mine or anyone else's mind can be broken and I will still say my ex could have been a good wife and a damn good mother if only the people around her had of stopped pumping her with drugs and alcohol and the rubbish that you can do to a man anything you like and he is not allowed break

Thanks all for your time
From Dave

Crimson hell it amazes me.
The length some have gone to so they can kick White ribbon day.
Yes men get hurt too, by some awful women.
But surely I and CJ Morgan are saying it is wrong for any to suffer, men or women?
In days not far behind us Friday night in working class homes was very often gut full of grog and bash the wife night.
I do not see this day as a lesbian celebration, I have seen the blood, even bone, the destroyed lives.
It may not take place on Chardonnay street but it happens far too often.
Have we looked at the growing numbers of children in care, not with parents?
Wives driven after years of bashing to finally leave and children who suffer.
They say many live only till next pay day, how will a bashed mum a kids live without pay.
If as some say this day is a fraud who wipes the blood and tears away tonight, is it worth worrying about?
I think it always will be.