Zbigniew Brzezinski,"What we need is a truely masssive and widely perceived direct external threat." This is a quote from his 1998 book "The Grand Chessboard"

Enter, Some of Bin Laden,becauae we were not allowed to view the entire story. No one is wanted for the 911 attacks,no one has been charged and even the CIA say they don't have enough evidence to convict Bin Laden.However we are told that it is Al Queda are the callous geniuses behind all that is evil on the planet.

We are not waging war on external terrorists.It is our Govts who are using our fears of terrorism to steal our liberties.Our Govts are waging war on us.

Yes Arjay, we have a sort of fascist creep. Nobody notices all the little changes over the years.

With terrorism. Goes both ways. If the government jump all over this as Bush may well have done then it strikes fear into the nation. However if it is terrorism but the new found "liberalism" tries to make out it is no,t it will create fear, division and play into hands of extremists of both sides also. Truth and justice has a lot of merit. Treat the criminal as they should be treated and people gain some sense of security from that process. If found to have religous motivation then the US army will need to investigate why a terrorist was not detected. No real need to politicise it either way.

OK runner, you gleefully condemn Islam (not just the individual murderers) when Muslims murder.

Now, when you reply to this, let's see you equally condemn Christianity (not just the individual murderers) when Christians murder.

Here's some Christian murders ....... thus affording you a perfect chance to condemn Christianity, and thus show your impartiality, maturity and ability to tell the truth:

(1) The Karantina massacre of around 1,500 people committed by Christian militia in Lebanon in 1976

(2) The San Ysidro massacre where a Christian, J Huberty, murdered 22 people and injured 19 others in 1984

(3) Christians Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, in 1995 murdered 168 people in Oklahoma City. They were both members of the Christian Patriot Movement, and believed in Christian patriotism.

(4) James Kopp, a Christian, murdered Dr Barnett Slepian in 1998. He was a member of The Lambs Of Christ and a member of The Army Of God.

Do you want me to go on, and on, and on and on runner? I can list THOUSANDS of examples of Christians who butchered and murdered, from the beginning of Christianity up to the present day.

Now, just as you do with Islam ............ let's hear you blame the "religion" (Christianity) for these crimes (and NOT just the perpetrators of the crimes)........

Just like you attempt to do with Islam.

I eagerly await your condemnation of Christianity.

Only when we all submit to the will of Allah shall Dar al-Harb become part of Dar al-Islam.
Until then, martyrs such as Nidal Malik Hasan must sacrifice themselves to pave the way for the peace of Islam.
Only then shall peace reign over the entire earth, insha'Allah.

We can only hope Graham (or someone) is moderating this thread full time.

I am not qualified in the legalities but haven't some of the comments "incited hatred". Can some legal-eagle explain in layman's terms what the criminal code means by inciting hatred?

If there has been a breach, who is responsible, what are the consequences?

Maybe the moderator has already suspended those that step over the mark, only s/he and the perpetrator would know. Or has the moderator let some slip through?

As to the original comment, I thought I was going to read something about the shooting in the US - was something snipped?

Anyway, I think it was a tad premature to allow it (it's not a race). There will be much more to say in the coming days and weeks, even on such a reputable site as OLO.

The topic of this thread was a "LOADED" statement, designed to pull peoples' chains. That's obvious.

Should any posts here be banned or the topic deleted? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Topics like this bring out the bigots, the misinformed and the barrow pushers . . . . . . and even those unfortunates have as much right as you or I to openly express an opinion. In fact it's good that they are here, it tells us what "some" people in our society actually believe, and having it all out in the open is MUCH better than secrecy.