"Wayne.... you are advocating basically feudelism, with anarchy as its pathway."

Not exactly. Local Governments only. Elected by a local vote. Thats essentially how tribes operate. If the Chief screws up he is simply replaced. Federal and State Governments are incapable of understanding all the complex problems across the country and providing a fair or balanced treatment of them. So we do away with these wasteful regimes. The country need only collaborate when threatened by external forces. Feudalism is unlikely in a world where outside threats would unite us.

"The right to vote never guarantees good government in these places. "

Quite the opposite in fact. People always vote for the biggest liar.

"Australia and the modern western economies all have respected and functioning democratic processes to hand."

LOL.

"As for WayneSmiths “The media gives them more control over us” Really ? You may think the media controls you. How does the media control me?"

By distorting anything you might say to them in order to portray it in a more sensational light. As a pressure group they control the Government through fear and you via the Government.

"And who has authority to order the airforce to shoot civilians?"

Popular consensus. The people tell their local chieftain and he passes it along to the other chieftains who then let the military decide. Its all self governing. Nobody is obligated to do anything at all. Just like in the old days.

"I hanker for the “small government” "

Exactly.

"Churchill said “democracy is the worst form of government; except all the others that have been tried.”"

So lets do away with all of them and keep it small.

WayneSmith, enjoy seven years behind bars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law#Current_Law

“By distorting anything you might say to them in order to portray it in a more sensational light. As a pressure group they control the Government through fear and you via the Government.”

I think that sounds like paranoia. It is certainly delusional.

“People always vote for the biggest liar.”

That sounds like cynicism. I suggest WayneSmith is speaking for himself because he is not speaking for me.

“"And who has authority to order the airforce to shoot civilians?"
Popular consensus. The people tell their local chieftain and he passes it along to the other chieftains who then let the military decide. Its all self governing. Nobody is obligated to do anything at all. Just like in the old days.”

Who pays the airforce, you know the ones who shoot the civilians?

Does this airforce negotiate independently, collectively (with other tribal leaders) or do they simply tell tribes how much they will take for not killing or for killing selected individuals? It all sounds a bit like the Mafia in the making.

Churchill was being complementary to the democratic process, he was not knocking it.

“So lets do away with all of them and keep it small.”

David_BOAZ is correct, you are planning a feudalistic social order with a very strong likelyhood that a Bonoparte will evolve. Maybe from this airforce which you want to arm but cannot control.

I note you have not replied to one of my comment “It is about respect for a system which “works imperfectly” (democratic elections), rather than revolutions which “fail perfectly”. (WS proposal).

I might come back to this thread but quite honestly, if this is the best debate you can muster I think I will go clip my toe nails, such an pursuit will have great consequence than bothering to post on this thread again.

If you are talking about the US, then they needed a revolution 6 years ago!
Fiji -- anybody notice that everybody from the UN down has had a piece of them, threats to throw them out of the Commonwealth, threats of a trade embargo, yet this is a very much, their concern, it is nobody elses affair with, so far as I have heard, no bloodshed, no violence.
Britain and Australia joined the US in an illegal invasion of Iraq, the country has been trashed, at least half a million slaughtered, --- where is the UN? why haven't Britian and Australia been slung out of the Commonwealth, why no trade sanctions?
If Fiji needed a revolution, then it is long past the time when most western governments should have been thrown out!

I am all for a revolution. I do not think it will achieve much but it will upset that wind bag - Col Rouge - thats more than enough reason.

YEBIGA “I am all for a revolution. I do not think it will achieve much but it will upset that wind bag - Col Rouge - thats more than enough reason.”

Oh nothing you do would ever upset me YEBIGA,

My political philosophy supports the notion that you are at liberty to express your opinions.

The nearest to any “concern” I might have is the revolution which you are so eager to support would, if you could get it up enough for anyone to notice (and I don’t think they have manufactured enough Viagra to achieve that), would be that your revolution might render silent the freedom of speech you are presently indulging.

As has been true of most revolutions, those at the heart of it, the early disciples, invariably end up the victims of their own success, for instance, Marat of the French Revolution and Trotsky of the Russian.

So I would watch out before proclaiming too much support for any “usurper cause”, lest you find yourself getting up close and personal with the modern day equivalent of Corday’s knife or Mercader’s ice pick.

Oh finally, as a “wind bag” you would rate 1 out of ten, as significant as a flatulent gerbil.