If anyone is under the slightest illusion that our freedoms are under serious threat,then view the following videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etv8YEqaWgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NSsj4a6v5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-TqMDthnEo

Students at Pittsburgh Uni were attacked with tear gas on their own campus.Many were just viewing proceedings.They were told to disburse as this was an illegal assembly.Who determines what is illegal?Does the USA Constitution article 21.3 now not allow freedom of assembly and the right to protest?

The Corporate media announces that there were no arrests made but students have video evidence to the contrary.

There seems to be no passion in the West at all about basic rights.We are like moronic drones willing to be enslaved by our own apathy and ignorance.

Don't it always seem to go,
You don't know what you've got till it's gone,
Just consume media paradise,
And wash it all down with a beer.
She be right mate!

your correct of course

effectivly the powers that be know the media dont care..and protest dont work...they know the activists will go back to work tomorrow[unlike the big business lobby..who will be lobbying them tomorrow..[or campaining against you at the next election

it gets more orwellian...till one day the sheeple..become meat for the gist...when they came for the smokers no one cared cause they didnt smoke...then they came for the druggies..[but they wernt druggies..[next they came for the kids..[but the adults didnt give a stuff...

in time they came for the sick old jew and deviate..[but no one cared..because there was no one left to care..but what can we do [nothing mate]...

they lock us up at will/have courts/private prisons/nut houses. it.as well as media/banking and you name it..[a new carbon tax gift..direct to multinational/big business...

its getting harder..to give a damm..soon i will even give up blogging all together..[its only preaching to the converted...or talking to the blind/deaf/emotionally stunted and ignorant...

and as helpless as we were..the powers that be..are still shhhh-ittt scared of the few of us...its sad..all that control...yet..they never let themselves feel secure enough to let the poor have equal time[let alone the gmo free/crumbs

i well understand the frustration...but let them sort their own mess[half the time..were only giving them ideas..they are a mindless bunch of yes men..following their orders or simply..the script..that achieves hell on earth

Nothing new about this, Arjay - indeed, violence by the State against people exercising their rights to free speech is a venerable American tradition:

http://tiny.cc/gQtAg

Fortunately, I don't live in the USA. I live in Australia, where we don't have a mandated right to free speech - but at least the government hasn't been inclined lately to shoot people who speak against it.

Yes OUG.There are many on this site who have painted particularly you and myself as conspiracy nutters.The conspiracy is slowy revealing itself as a reality.Even Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong talk of a "New World Order" in which the G20 should have Global Supremacy.Obama is just a puppet of the global corporates which JFK referred to as the industrial military complex.They have control of both parties as witnessed by the fact that Obama has elected to extend the Patriot Act and still retains the executive powers that Bush ordained.

What sort of democracy does that leave for the individual or lesser countries? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If you want to do something positive and you live in Aust,contact John Bursill for Architects and Engineers for 911 truth.This is the linch pin that opens the can of worms.I've joined them and they need support.johnbursill@gmail.com
Ph 0414878499.

CJ Morgan,you have a very insular view of Aust.If the USA becomes a totalitarian state and they insure our security in Asia via their nukes.What polices will our Govt implement to keep us in tune with their agendas?

Unfortunately your attacks on this site are about discrediting the individual personally rather,than debating the issues.I will debate the issues fairly with anyone and accept the fact I was wrong.I was wrong about the Mulsims being the prime aggressors in the Middle East.It was the Industrial Military Complex of the USA that has wrought the destruction and economic perversions we now all face.

If you can think that you can normalise what is happening in Pittsburgh today by making reference to 1971 Kent State Massacre,then it is you who have a problem.

What happens in the USA today and is accepted as fact,will soon happen here because of the military umbrella of the USA.

We have no choice.Either we accept the US Nuke umbrella or develop our own and suffer the possible fate of Iran or Iraq.

It is a game about power and ethics or fairness does not even rate a mention in US foreign policy.

arjay and for that matter OUG raise serious issues here.
Why do we inhabit OLO?
Just in case I too have my tin hat on, and playing an old America song full blast.
They may still hear me so whispering as I write.
I do not think we need fear Pittsburgh, but I do.
Yep up front that is me.
See those young folk could be out there protesting about world hunger war unemployment.
But they box shadows fight unwindable fights.
And sometimes don't they blokes ? get upset if we do not believe them.

Belly;Where is the union movement's voice on these most important issues? The Greens have finally made a move,but your guys are strangely silent.

Arjay - my comment didn't discredit any OLO user personally.

Rather, I pointed out that the USA has been engaged in this kind of reprehensible activity for a long time now. My further point was that Australia is not America - regardless of our reliance on their military alliance.

While I acknowledge that our governments and their police have on occasion behaved appallingly (and recently) towards protestors and demonstrators, I can't recall anything as extreme from a Western government as the US manifestation of suppression of dissent described in the OP. Like I said, we haven't experienced anything in recent generations as disgusting as the violence meted out to uni students in Ohio in the 1970s, nor even the milder and more recent State thuggery in Pittsburgh.

The State violence in Pittsburgh seems to me to be quite typical of current strategies of Western States in dealing with dissent in the streets. There's nothing particularly "Orwellian" about it - Orwell's 1984 dystopia relied on self-criticism and technological surveillance. The Pittsburgh State thuggery was far less subtle (nor effective, I suspect) than that.

CJ Morgan,you like many others suffer from beaker frog syndrome.You are not realising the subtle changes taking place both here and the USA.We here constantly have Govt intruding into our lives in every way from road cameras to idiotic bureaucratic regulation.

I find what's happening in Pittsburgh appalling.To you it is the subtle change of normalcy.The Police were threatening to use rubber bullets.Under Obama's new laws,anyone can be detained indefinitely without charge just on suspicion of being a terrorist.

I don't think you really understand the gravity of the situation.

arjay seems yet another of your delusions has surfaced.
Unionism surely is about members interest first.
Yes at times, in that interest we get involved in politics.
Should we?
Some times yes sometimes no.
Your obsession with Americas wrongs seems more than blind.
Who would you have as the good guy?
Are you even a little concerned about Chinas recent show of strength.
Seen anything like it in documentary's pre ww2?
And I may stand alone but will never bend for any one unions are not all the same.
I never will agree to a union acting other than in the interests of its share holders its members.
Is Iran's potential nuclear bomb a concern for you?
Or the fact they have help to get this far down the track to having it?
So know arjay while I have nothing against you, would have a beer or cup of coffee with you Any day, I left conspiracy theory's and fear of phantoms behind me years ago.

Yes Belly,She be right.Your Union members don't need true liberty,just the mushroom treatment our Govts dish out to us.Govts these days just manage their dysfunctional dilemmas by putting us into unnecessary debt.In the 1950's we could build great infrastructure projects and today have problems providing basic services and infrastructure.

We have de-mock-cracy,aided and abetted by apathy of too many invertabrates.

Arjay, I'm intrigued by your suggestion that we should...

>>contact John Bursill for Architects and Engineers for 911 truth.<<

...and presumably, also become 911oz.com bloggers.

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=29

We can then be part of a select band of special people.

Here's one...

"9/11 was an inside job. The world's Central Banks are MASSIVE criminal organisations, that own the World's Governments. The Criminal Elites, who own the World's Banks, Politicians and Governments, are 'Degenerate Blood Sucking Parasites', on the back of humanity." (wezthebikie - "senior member")

Hmmm. Sounds like we're right at home here.

And this sounds familiar.

"Praise God for giving us the KJAV 1611 Bible and for using this book to grant ALL HUMANITY the freedom and liberty of religion, conscience, press and government. Without this book there would be NO SUCH THING as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand, Sweden or The signing of the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648, bringing to an end to the Black Popes Thirty Years' War and starting the Modern era and the era of sovereign nation-states. These nations BEGAN as Protestant nations endowing ALL men and women God given rights. Rights we should cherish. Whether you are Christian or not, you cannot remove the fact that the western nations where set up on the pretext of Biblical teaching. NOT ROMISH Christianity, but Biblical." (Unmovable 2 - "junior member")

Still only a "junior member", I notice. He would need to focus more, I suspect, before he graduates to "senior".

This guy puts it all in perspective.

"I was made aware of the 9/11 scam a 5-6 years ago, and has made a big difference to how i see this world of smoke and mirrors. I see 9/11 as just another example of how history is written.I make orgone generators and incase anyone here is unaware they some devices can be used to fight chemtrails and other such things" (Calvcoff - "junior member")

If only the whole world used orgone generators.

http://www.orgonecrystals.com/catalog/orgonite.html

It has to be said. You keep fascinating company, Arjay.

Tell me, are you into orgone crystals too?

That could explain a great deal.

There you go again Pericles with lame attempts at character assassination.We know we are having an effect.

On 11/9/09 we have a little demonstration outside the ABC studios.Lo and behold who should come along and single me out for some reason. It was a plain clothes AFP officer who said he was there to protect us,and what were were doing could be dangerous because certain right wing forces might not agree with what we were doing.He gave examples of the infighting between Tamil Tigers and Sri Lankin nationals and kept repeating how he was there to protect us from possible threats.To me it was an attempt at intimidation.

If what ae911truth is saying is so ridiculous,then why bother even turning up.After our few minutes of conversation he [AFP] quickly left and did not keep his promise of protecting us.

Architects and Engineers for 911truth are no a bunch of uneducated wackos.This group only started 2 yrs ago and now has over 900 professionals in these fields and over 5000 other supporters,with numbers growing daily.Add to this the other 911 truther movements and we have serious credibility.

Many are too scared to join this group because of the serious implications it has for both Govt and the perpetrators.There are now millions around the planet who know the truth,and slowy they are getting the courage to join the chorus for justice.

Just few headlines making news in Orstrailya The lucky country
Pigs arse!
What freedom of speech
What legal system
What democracy
I have yet to see an example of Australian democracy that even come close to that allowed in the USA.

Thomasfromtacoma,I think you missed the point.

Hardly character assassination, Arjay. More an observation on the company you keep.

>>There you go again Pericles with lame attempts at character assassination.We know we are having an effect.<<

The effect you are having is probably not that which you assume.

Our conversations here have opened my eyes to the explosion that has occurred in the conspiracy industry in recent years, triggered by the power of the internet.

Previously, my only contact had been through letters, in green ink and tiny handwriting, written on both sides of thin notepaper (as well as vertically, in the margins), explaining how the CIA were tracking the writer's every move...

The conspiracies themselves haven't changed much, and still share many common characteristics.

They are, invariably, invisible to all but the cognoscenti. These consist mostly of paranoids, who now band together in cyberspace to reinforce each other's fear of authority. Each new recruit adds to the excitement, that they, and they alone, know the truth, while all the rest of us live in ignorance.

This aspect of self-aggrandizement provides the necessary positive feedback, that keeps the whole ball rolling. It is probably why the participants never seem to subscribe to any one single conspiracy, but an entire raft of them. It's addictive.

The conspiracies themselves have repeating motifs. There is a secret society of powerful figures, whose entire lives are spent oppressing the citizenry, while robbing them blind.

These cabals can have religious overtones (Jewish bankers feature prominently), but mostly it is "governments within governments", pulling the strings of the frontline politicians, while feathering their own nests.

The internet has been a godsend to the conspiracy industry. It hasn't made the existence of the secret squirrels any more factual, but it has enables the subscribers to feed each other's fantasies at the click of an Enter button.

So Arjay, while you may see my observations as ridicule, or character assassination, or whatever, to me they are simply an easy means to indulge my fascination with human nature, in all its glory and all its different manifestations.

So thank you, and keep up the good work.

tomasfromtacoma I disagree, your comment made as much sense to me as some others here, none.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26173380-5005962,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26172488-5005962,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26173382-5007060,00.html
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/6110842/search-continues-for-missing-qld-cop/

Just few headlines making news in Orstrailya The lucky country
Pigs arse!
What freedom of speech
What legal system
What democracy
I have yet to see an example of Australian democracy that even come close to that allowed in the USA.