Tomorrow, a very big day in Australian politics.
The conservative party's meet in the joint party rooms to answer questions raised by this thread.
We may not know those answers until Parliament sits, but Sunday is the day we will look back to for answers.
Is it the day that brings on an election of both houses?
Or is it the day that proves Turnbull did the only thing he could do , put his leadership on the line.
Opinions are free, and our right, but I have seen some uninformed ones in this and other threads.
Ones that while coming from conservatives seem to want great harm to come to their own party.
Maybe in the next 30 days we will see a more united opposition, at least in Liberal ranks, I think Turnbull will win the day.
If not?
Rebuilding the conservative side will take a decade.

The ALP hase been attempting to get rid of/discredit Malcolm because they know the Libs are scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point in time. Personally, I believe that the electorate should vote for the party and its policies, not the leader and soap opera issues. If the Liberal party truly wanted to do the right thing for the Australian people, they would oppose an ETS as any tax that is applied to carbon will eventually be paid for by the Australian people. The buck stops with us, just like the GST.

I see no substantial difference between the two parties and there lies the problem. Both parties have been representing big business for the last 30 years and especially over the last 14 years by Howard and now Dud. If all the money from sales of our mineral assets were returned to the people of Australia, how rich we would be.

We need more parties in the lower house that have alternate views, as the present set up turns parliment into a debating contest concerned more about who is right, who is wrong, and who won the debate. I would like to see at least one party whose members had relevant degrees, especially science as science is the discipline that will propel our country into the 21 centure and beyond.

WILLIE sorry but you do not know much about politics.
Seen the polls? heard the anti Turnbull tripe from within his party.
Know do you it was Liberal policy to introduce such a scheme under Howard.
Can you truly tell me we should vote for party's not leaders?
Surely you do not think that is how it ever will be?
Turnbull is lost, he can never ever be PM.
But he has a chance of surviving for a little longer.
His actions are not those of a Dill.
He will put amendments in place that wedges Labor.
That gives him the slightest chance of turning his defeat into a lessor one.
Blame John stay too Long Howard.
He killed of talent, left a choice between Abbot, or Joe Hockey, no choice at all.
Get talent into the Conservatives, more to the point get the dead wood out.

Belly, you are absolutely right. I don't know anything about the soap opera they call politics because I am interested in what's good for the country, not what will get a party elected. However, in my opinion Malcolm Turnbull is shown his lack of expertise at least three times. Firstly, there was his idea on making rain, quite a feat for someone with no scientific training, spent heaps of money on it too, then on QANDA he didn't know the difference between solar and thermal solar, a lastly HE was the one to use the non existent em to call for Duds resignation. No politically expertise there either.

If Turnbull would represent what is right for the Australian people, and that is, "no new taxes", as we are already being taxed to death by three levels of government, I think people would see a real leader. I am a self funded retiree and this year I made $12K dollars and have to pay tax. Obviously, an ex merchant millionaire banker would have no conception of how ludicrous this is.

Howard got me layed of from my $75K job as an engineer with AirServices Australia when he destroyed the public Service and Dud locked up my mortgage investment account by gauranteeing dollars in banks for millionaires. Neither of these decisions did jack for the Australian people.

When a real leader comes along that understands how hard our outdated political system is one average Australians, he will no have any trouble getting elected.

Finally, I haven't voted FOR a political party in a long time, just voted for the other guy because I was sick to death of the present party and I'v been let down every time. As I said before, it's time for someone new to come on the scene, hopefully that will represent Australians and not just some party.

WILLIE no offense mate but it is a complex subject, it takes understanding to comment wisely on.
Now if I gave you advice on how to do your past job.
Well clearly I never would.
No I am not a politician, never wanted to be.
But here, in this thread some who ranted against Turnbull did so based on no understanding of the issues.
1
both party's, and most Australians, want some type of emissions trading in place.

2
In fighting within the coalition has weakened it, Turnbull ,no leader, he has convinced me of that, had to act, his party may avoid an early election because he did.
3
Few, very few do not understand our conservatives are very much lost, self destructive, and need direction not to perform well in this election but the next two.
Self interest WILLIE should not blind you to truth, your vote , the way you tell us of it, is a wasted one, no impact at all on outcomes.
I can think of only those who vote for that family first blank space as wasting votes worse.

Belly, your last post highlights the reason I will not vote for your lot, or Turnbull, now.

This attitude of yours, that no policy, or outcome is wrong, or bad, provided it gets, or keeps you elccted, disgusts me.

The fact that you, & your party, both accept this as business as usual shows how far removed you are, from any principal.

It is good to see that some, among the other lot, will not do anything, no matter what, to save a vote. They have earned respect, something your lot dont even seem interested in, if your attitude is an example.

Hang on a minute, they have lost your respect. You only respect those who will cheat, lie & connive, to get what they want. Now I see it all. Power is everything, nothing else matters.

Well, you can have your type of success. I could not live with my self, if I had to sacrifice my beliefs, to get what I wanted.