Who's Malcolm? Malcolm in the middle? crappy TV show? and who cares?

Hasbeen, rechtub I offer you both a challenge.

Sorry, have I missed something. I can't see where the challenge is belly. You seem to have asked and answered your own question.

Belly, It's not a matter of understanding politics, it's a matter of understanding principal.

I will not vote for a party who will vote for bad legislation, just to save itself a few seats in an election. I have not voted labor, since Richo bought the green vote, by getting labor to pass dreadful green laws.

Compared to this, what Malcolm wants to do is worse, & the only reason for the policy is to save his leadership. By delaying this legislation, not only do we muck up Ruddys UN ambitions, we delay any vote until after Copenhagen, even if it is a double disssolution.

After the spectacular failure that Copenhagen is going to be, even Ruddy will have to downgrade this rip off policy.

By rejection, rather than compliance, it will be much easier for the Libs to cancle the whole bl@@dy mess, when they get back in, & get back they will.

If you can't see that this whole AGW pack of cards is starting to fall apart, you are not looking deep enough.

It may be in just one term, but in not more than 2 the rotten mess will fall. Those who pushed it, or went along with it are going to be really on the nose. The stink will last many years.

By fighting this now, the libs may be reduced to a rump, for a little while. However, the landslide they would go back in with would make old Joh look like a short term leader.

Of course, if they don't fight now, they may not survive, long term, & who would care, if they don't have the integrity to fight for what's right. After all, we only need one party with no principals.

Gentlemen I rest my case rechtub unable to see my challenge had been laid on the table took a bex and a good lay down.
My other opponent put enough evidence on the table to prove a complete failure to understand the issue.
It will be only after the next two elections, not before, that conservatives have any chance of winning.
And without some compromise now it will be much longer.
for the first time Turnbull has shown leadership.
For the first time he is highlighting far too many in his party, think as hasbeen does.
Can Wilson Tucky and his supporters be said to think?
And is the national party truly opposed to this or is it just looking for the country bumpkin vote?
It is hurting its self, one day the nationals will merge or die.
It cares far more for miners than farmers.
This move by Turnbull will lift his profile will restore some trust in him and may get rid of fools and useless add ons in his party surely few want mad Bronwyn Bishops type to build a future on, Tucky? names flow ideas are out of fashion in the conservatives side of the house.

You shouldn't talk about politics as if it were a football match.
At the last election, the people spoke.
At the next election the people will again cast a vote.
With out a viable opposition, things can get out of hand.
At the same time you must allow the elected party to govern.
I say the Rudd govt will surge, with many more seats, which is not all that good. We need a viable opposition. Malcom's tenure has got to come to a close to move forward

Desmond please understand opinions, yours mine rechtubs and hasbeens are not facts.
Within a month we all will know who has got this subject right.
I could be very wrong, but am convinced Malcolm Turnbull had no other choice.
I once said he was the best man for the job, now think he will never win an election.
But who else from his team is ready to lead today?
Surely never Abbot?.
A virus left by a man who poisoned the roots of upcoming trees in his party John Howard still harms that party.
Turnbulls task is made more difficult by dead weight unfocused useless passengers in his party.
Put your self in command , get rid of Turnbull next month.
Have that election of both houses.
Who then rules to wreckage of conservative party's.
Does it matter that wild child Barnaby Joice may win say 2 extra senate seats but greens and Labor control that house.
In fact it will not happen, Turnbull knows it must not his party too.
Turnbulls act is an act of leadership, he has saved his party and his self by his actions.
Let time judge us in this thread we do not have long to wait.