According to todays Tele, plans are being drawn up to house many additional illegals in former defence establishments. See article

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/defence-bases-to-house-illegal-immigrants/story-e6freuy9-1225779282062

Now I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this article, but it would not surprise me.

The lure of permanent residency, and all that it entails, is the big drawcard for those with the funds and willing to take the risk of sailing the open ocean. The present government has enticed the illegals to take that risk. In the last year it has directly led to the deaths of 5 illegals and the chance of another Siev X is high.

The way to stop the boats coming is to make it not worth the effort, cost and risk, as did the previous government.

Fractelle,
I can easily tell you why I do not want the illegals comong here.

It is simply because they are opportunists, selfish and deceitfull. They fly to Malaysia or Indonesia on either valid or false documents then once enroute to Aus they destroy the docs so as to deceive our authorities. They impose themselves on us by gate crashing and taking advantage of our weak standards for terming them refugees. Some even stay at good hotels while waiting for the boat to be organised. Former detention staff have attested that some have many thousands of dollars on their person. A few have even engaged light aircraft to fly from Indonesia to remote airstrips in Aus. They have even scuttlrd their craft to force our personel to take them on board. They even hyjacked the Tampa after they were rescued. Not nice people at all.

I do not believe the those that can bribe their way and lie and cheat should be rewarded with our sanctuary. There are many thousands of far more deserving people we could welcome.

I do not like to be conned or taken for a ride or have the wool pulled over my eyes.

Like Yabby said , it is a matter of fairness and principle.

What Yabby and ilk fail to grasp is that most of these people don't come from camps or places where there is a line or camp that they can go and wait for your orderly principal. Either way it is an on going and escalating problem.

People can't live by principal alone they need food, safety etc.
By their standards i wonder what makes them think that any other option, other than "I'm all right jack and stuff you", is cheaper.The long term consequences of that will be ...um....interesting, I hope I'm long gone by then but, I do fear for our children.

I argued that in the long term it would come back and bite future Aussies. Clearly they don't care about them either.
Consequential logic and cause and effect don't happen in their world.
BTW Ludwig's solution will cost heaps too and will go on for years mind you it is over there. With AGW we can reasonably expect the situation to worsen what then? Bigger war ships to sink the increasingly desperate?

I see that Ludwig and Yabby are still telling lies about Howard's inhumane approach to asylum seekers who arrive by boat. As I've pointed out every time you guys bring up this furphy, the numbers of such refugees attempting to seek asylum in Australia declined for the same reasons that the numbers of asylum seekers declined worldwide - i.e. the 'push' factors receded temporarily. In any event, they didn't stop coming - rather, their numbers declined temporarily.

I note that nobody's cared to answer my question about what happened to the other 8360 of the 10,000 boat people that Ludwig et al were certain would be coming here because Rudd acted to make his government's approach to onshore asylum seekers somewhat more humane than Howard's callous policy. If Rudd's more ethical approach was going to be seen as some kind of invitation, where are they?

Banjo's hateful drivel is classic - the only thing of interest about it is that he took so long to come out of his kennel in response to Ludwig's scurrilous dog whistle. Speaking of whom - I don't think I'll be engaging with the old misanthrope much any more after these latest antics.

There's little point in trying to communicate with people who are bigoted, dishonest and discourteous. Little wonder he spends most of his time in the company of plants, or ogling women at the beach.

CJ Morgan,

1. Re: “I note that nobody's cared to answer my question about what happened to the other 8360 of the 10,000 boat people that Ludwig et al were certain would be coming here”

Well let me try to enlighten you.Your other 8360 are likely to be either already here or on their way.
For every one that comes by boat there will be many more who follow through one or other shonky immigration schemes.
Actually the figure is more likely to be a lot, lot higher than 8360. I recall that one of the most oft raised complaints by internees about Howard system was it denied them the right to sponsor others.

And as the USA is finding out, many of these others -- re-badged family-- have absolutely no connection at all with the sponsor
.http://www.t-g.com/story/print/1478471.html

2. Re: “As I've pointed out every time you guys bring up this furphy, the numbers of such refugees attempting to seek asylum in Australia declined for the same reasons that the numbers of asylum seekers declined worldwide - i.e. the 'push' factors”

Yeh, you point it out every time, and it is pointed out to you, every time, that you are wrong --but apparently you are a little slow on the uptake.

You might recall a post by Franklin about a month back .In his post he revealed “that there are
45 African countries are UN member states and are signatories to the UN Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees”
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9334#149206

Now if the intent of such “refugees” was to seek shelter from the storm i.e. push factors , they have a good selection of local countries to choose from.

But what do we see --we see a growing flood of such persons to Europe or the Americas.
So it would seem it has more to do with pull factors.
And those who can’t -- see--that, probably can attribute that to their own, pull factors .

*What Yabby and ilk fail to grasp is that most of these people don't come from camps or places where there is a line or camp that they can go and wait for your orderly principal. Either way it is an on going and escalating problem.*

Examinator, if there is no line, then the Govt is free to make one
and to inform us how it evaluates who gets to the front of the queue
and why. Fact is, we'll never ever be able to satisfy eveyone who
might want to join the line, reality prevails.

Yes, it is an on going and escalating problem, so it needs a solution.

You have not offered one, just a bit more bleating. There is
a solution. Shut the whole trade down and take people from a line,
developed by the Govt.

*I see that Ludwig and Yabby are still telling lies about Howard's inhumane approach to asylum seekers who arrive by boat.*

Hang on CJ, back in your box you go. Fact is that the refugee camps
have had millions and millions in them, every day of every year.
They simply have no money to bribe anyone, so you conveniently
ignore them.

You keep raising this furphy of hate. Sorry CJ, but a bit of common
sense to see a situation as it is, suggests to me that these posters
simply have more common sense then you, and don't wear their hearts
on their sleeves as you do. If a woman can drive you to drink,
then clearly you are following your feelings and still have to
learn to think about them a bit more. They call it emotional
intelligence, perhaps you lack it. Don't blame us for your
problems

Ah but Yabby, it's clearly not me who has a problem with a few refugees getting here by boat, among hundreds of thousands of other immigrants and who knows how many visa overstayers.

However, in your case (and probably Ludwig's) 'hate' is probably overstating it a bit - callous indifference is probably closer to the mark. Mind you, when the pack comes baying to the dog-whistle, it's a little hard to tell.

Here's a song for Ludwig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPI1nAqkpLQ