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Is it time for a National Police Force

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Miranda Devine, the SMH Journalist who inspired a discussion on Turnbull, strikes again with an expose of New South Wales Policing.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/police-too-afraid-to-get-tough-on-our-criminals-20090805-ea1s.html

Is it time for us to accept that the Commonwealth has the power and responsibility to control the forces to execute and maintain the laws of the Commonwealth, granted to it by Section 51 Placitum vi Constitution and should do so.

Will a Queensland Diplomat establish a National Police Force, and end decades of Police and other Corruption in the States of Australia
Posted by Peter the Believer, Thursday, 6 August 2009 8:21:52 AM
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Will a Queensland Diplomat establish a National Police Force, and end decades of Police and other Corruption in the States of Australia

Using the past 20 years in as a gauge I'd say it is extremely unlikely. Why ? Because all the key bureaucrats are protected by law because by law public servants can not be removed no matter how useless or damaging or corrupt. Those who try to do right thing are being persecuted & whacked by the full weight of the well, so-called law..
Posted by individual, Thursday, 6 August 2009 10:33:43 AM
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It would appear that the only thing lacking in the establishment of a National Police Force, is the will of the relevant Ministers. The relevant Minister is the Attorney General the Hon Robert McClelland. There is a Secretary in charge of the whole department and his name is Roger Wilkins AO, and his deputy is Elizabeth Kelly. The other minister with responsibility is the Hon Brendan O’Connor.

It has been my experience that the Australian Federal Police are derelict in their duty under s 8 (1) (b) (1) of the act cited below, because a complaint to them is not accepted by them unless specifically directed by a Minister.

Consequently the laws of the Commonwealth are a laughing matter, to State politicians and State Police are politicized, and made ineffective.
AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE ACT 1979 - SECT 8
Functions
(1) The functions of the Australian Federal Police are:
(b) the provision of police services in relation to:
(i) laws of the Commonwealth;
(ii) property of the Commonwealth (including Commonwealth places) and property of authorities of the Commonwealth; and
(iii) the safeguarding of Commonwealth interests;
If the Liberal Party wishes to be relevant to Australia in the second millennia, it should start to ask some hard questions of the two Ministers cited above.

It seems as if the Parliament of the Commonwealth is willing but the Ministers are not. In 1996, the High Court said the State Parliaments do not have unfettered legislative power. Without a Federal Police willing to accept complaints from the General Public, the laws of the Commonwealth are essentially irrelevant.

The first step for the Australian Federal Police should be to start to ensure that the laws made by delegated authorities like the High Court and Federal Court of Australia comply with the relevant authorizing legislation. The current High Court Rules 2004 do not and the Australian Federal Police should give the present incumbent High Court Justices and others one warning, to fix it, or prosecute them, so Parliament can appoint Justices who will obey its laws
Posted by Peter the Believer, Thursday, 6 August 2009 1:58:12 PM
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We have the Australian Ferderal police farse, no miss spelling intendered.
It has been subject of scandals nd even murders of members.
State police commisioners of police have been in prison.
Graft, coruption, always surfaces first in police forces.
A good honest cop is worth far more than we could ever pay him/her.
Most are good cops, but tell me please how do you tell an honest cop/politician from a bad one?
Give you a hint, in NSW you can tell if a polly is lieing, watch his/her lips, if they move they are lieing.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 7 August 2009 5:42:46 AM
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I just wonder how the former President of the Court of Appeal, would have behaved when faced with the application of the “Kable Principle”, one Keith Mason, if a Federal Police Officer had been present in Court observing his antics. The argument put to him was that in 1996, the High Court established the “Kable Principle”, in a case in which he was senior counsel. He lost that case, but never accepted that he had done so.

He was breaking Statute law by doing so. S 23 of the Judiciary Act 1903 provides that when a majority of the High Court, makes a decision it is as binding as a Statute. The “Kable Principle” was established by a four to two majority, so it should have been binding on him, but no, he backed State Sovereignty, as opposed to Commonwealth Sovereignty, and since there was no Commonwealth Police Force to ensure the law was obeyed, he felt perfectly safe breaking it.

He was also breaking the provisions of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. This Statute bans discrimination absolutely. It is a federal Law that even the Ministers in Charge of the Australian Federal Police, O’Connor and McClelland refuse to accept is law. The Priest hired by McClelland to roam Australia trying to convince us it was not enacted, would have been arrested and charged if we had an effective National Police Force.

I haven’t spoken about Christian principles a lot lately, but one of those is there shall be no God but Almighty God. In my church we accept that Almighty God is Sovereign, and sing His praises. The secular members of all State Parliaments and the Commonwealth, subscribe to the principle that Parliament is Almighty God. Like it it lump it, they have panican gods, called Judges and Magistrates to enforce their Sovereignty.

Now Kevin Rudd says he is a Christian. He can either tolerate the establishment of nine separate Religions, in the nine separate States, or he can establish a National Police Force. He is on the horns of a dilemma. Christian or not
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 7 August 2009 6:12:04 AM
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The argument against giving Police half the fine is that they would abuse their privileges. This could happen in Australia today, where Judges and Magistrates rule, however it worked in the past because there was a separation of Church and State. Every Police Officer was a peace officer. He or she could not enforce a fine, unless it was authorized by a jury after a trial in a court. There were no Judges authorized to grant fines without consent.

When Church and State were separate, the enforcement of the law was not vested in Judges and Magistrates. These individuals could only rape and pillage the population if a jury gave them authority to do so. This did not suit the lawyers at all. They want all power and want an ineffective Police force. Walk up Martin Place in Sydney and observe and wonder at the Taj Mahal Palaces erected by lawyers, so that they may be housed in style.

A National Police Force would be completely self funding. The first victims would be Local Councils who break the Trade Practices Act 1974. The next would be the big partnerships, who sell indulgences to big corporations. The law has provisions passed by the Parliament of the Commonwealth, that would balance the budget by having a National Police Force. It would not matter if a few diligent Police became millionaires overnight, if the Parliament of the Commonwealth was no longer impotent. It would be fine because the same Police would pay their taxes as due.

Instead of taking bribes, and entering partnerships with the drug dealers, and protecting them, the National Police Force would be interested in taking their profits, and sending them away. I have seen Police in church. I have no doubt they would like to end up like Norman Allen, after 1970, who when he died left an estate of Four and a half million dollars, on a Police Chief salary. How much better would it be if a Police Officer could legitimately accumulate a fortune, keeping the bastards in society like the drug dealers honest by jury trials
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 7 August 2009 6:34:11 AM
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