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How far should a secular multi-cultural society go to accommodate religious sensibilities?
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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:20:36 AM
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For some reason an Australian court has decreed that denying the Jewish Holocaust that occurred between 1941 and 1945 is not permitted in Australia. See: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lawreport/stories/2009/2573443.htm To the best of my knowledge no Australian court has ever made a similar finding about any other Holocaust. Therefore, IN THE CONTEXT OF MY QUESTION, other Holocausts are not relevant. Note please that I did NOT say other Holocausts were irrelevant. It is only in the context of my question that they are irrelevant because the court decision did not cover other Holocausts. As I have made abundantly clear on many occasions, I think the court's ruling constitutes an egregious attack on free speech. Holocaust denial should NOT be outlawed. See the thread I started on 1 May 2009. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2738 All I am asking is whether you agree with the Australian court's decision. It is a limited question that can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no". There is no need to bring in the Pope's visit to Buchenwald. Whether or not you choose to mourn the Jews the Nazis murdered is your affair. To paraphrase Rhett Butler in the movie version of Gone with the Wind, "Frankly, OUG, I don’t give a damn". I also think it is beyond my powers to lift your largely self-inflicted "confusion" on the topic; so I won’t even attempt it. Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:22:30 AM
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Actually, I think that Col's nailed it.
With respect to the specifics of Steven's examples: * Public swimming pools - no * Doctors, nurses and abortions in public hospitals - no * Exclusion of evolution from biology curricula (in public schools) - no * Holocaust denial illegal - no * Alternative route for gay pride march - no (and I'm also a bit surprised by TPP's response on this) * Banning of "Piss Christ" and Mohammed cartoons - no * Muslim (or any other) policemen and beards - yes. In Qld and various other constabularies beards are permitted now anyway. * Muslim female police trainees avoiding shaking hands - no * Veiled Muslim policewomen - no * Blasphemy laws - no I think that they key to encouraging harmony in a diverse society is to remove the sense of entitlement that followers of any religion may have that those who don't subscribe to their beliefs should have to accommodate the social practices that emanate from them. That said, we should all strive to live and let live as far as practicable. Religious types have every right to control the behaviour of people within their churches, mosques etc, but should have no special influence on the behaviour of the rest of us outside their religious precincts. Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:38:13 AM
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steven australia is not israel...
high courts CANNOT DECREE ANYTHING...>>>...GET IT...they interprite law...they dont MAKE LAW.. in israel they can feed lies and call it good..[but here is australia we have rule of law..[we are not a police state]...there is a difference yes in your opinion..the other holocausts are irrelivant..because they were all goys... and many holocausts were conducted by those judean tribes..that now have cogetated into one tribe/under the star of david..[not the lampstand].. ...in mosus times there were twelve...for some obscure reason...now we have an isral state...when it in the past israel..[wars with god]..was one out of 12 tribes...what of the other tribes... there is something strange going down..when we are forbotten..by high ccourts to ask question...where simply asking questions..becomes the crime my jew sympathies were raised by the COMPULSORY reading of anne frank...a work of litrature..that may not even have been written by a child... but that question cannot be asked either...free thinking means fredom of thought..if were not free to think/talk...then what sort of fear state has been brought..to this prison planet Posted by one under god, Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:40:31 AM
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CJ wrote:
<<... key to encouraging harmony in a diverse society is to remove the sense of entitlement that followers of any religion may have that those who don't subscribe to their beliefs should have to accommodate the social practices that emanate from them. >> And a good start would be to remove tax exemptions. Religion is a very personal belief which has been able to impact itself on the public sphere for eons: from politics (K Rudd seeking beatification for McKillop) to education (chaplains in schools) and to the malevolent; murders of the innocent from Ireland to New York. No two Christians interpret the New Testament in exactly the same way, so why should their religion be forced upon a nation? I agree with Col insofar as it is beyond time religion (whether it is Christian, Muslim or Voodoo) accommodated itself to fit the mores of the general populace, rather than the other way round. In private, I respect the beliefs of my friends and acquaintances, by such behaviour as removing my shoes when visiting their homes or covering my hair if entering a mosque or temple. I would like to see a world where, if a natural disaster occurred we all would work together to help one another rather than have some total idiot declare something like: "The Victorian bushfires were a result of legalising abortion" - statements like this help no-one and are as primitive as believing in Thor tossing thunderbolts during storms. Posted by Fractelle, Sunday, 19 July 2009 1:15:57 PM
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I'm with Col, CJ and Fractelle.
Accommodating sensibilities should not go so far as to contravene legislation nor seek to change accepted practices founded on a valid premise within a democratic country. Posted by pelican, Sunday, 19 July 2009 1:36:14 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-UWAc2cII4&feature=player_embedded
Sen...Patrick Leahy's hate crimes bill,..was passed 63 to 28. Clearly,..the Senate majority had spoken...Once cloture is invoked there is usually little more that can be done to resist.
http://dprogram.net/2009/07/17/comparing-zionists-to-nazis-to-be-criminalized/
There was no floor debate
http://rense.com/general86/pike.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/030073.html
Hillary Clinton admits that the CFR runs the Government
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/030102.html
National Security Advisor..James.L..Jones..admits that the CFR runs the Government...Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday...As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States,..I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/141268/ludicrous:_matt_taibbi_accused_of_being_anti-semitic_for_goldman_sachs_article
World may back Iran op as part of deal
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443824234&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
A deal taking shape between Israel and Western leaders will facilitate international support for an Israeli strike on...in exchange for concessions in peace negotiations..LOL..with the Palestinians and Arab neighbors,..The Times MISS-reported Thursday.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/07/abunimah-despite-all-the-pressure-obama-seems-to-be-licensing-illegal-colonization.html#more
Israel’s Biggest Theft of all Time
http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/israels-biggest-theft-of-all-time/
Just like the American government..spreads war around the world with the tax money..they coerce out of me,..Israel spreads war,..death, poverty,..inhumanity,..and famine within throwing distance of it’s own inhabitants
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/64536
Israel’s actions from the beginning have directly contradicted the image it projects to the West...The founding of a country that was to be..“a light among nations”...lol..required the forcible expulsion of most of its original inhabitants...
The..“Middle East’s only democracy”..became the brutal oppressor of three million Palestinians.
Experts are refuting..an Israeli researcher’s claim..that Palestinians are..“ethnically Jewish”..as a fundamentally flawed theory..that contradicts both science and history,..while Palestinians slammed it..as part of a larger scheme to erase their identity...“The claim that there are Jewish genes is ridiculous and unscientific''
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/jewifying-palestinians/
The nationhood..that was to endow the Jewish people with..“normality”..gave them instead a garrison state..in which military strength is the dominant value.
http://politicaltheatrics.com/2009/07/17/dancing-on-graves-hebraizing-palestine/
Israel will implode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLEPjaF3S0
Israel's oppressive Iron fist..occupation..will cause its own demise
http://www.hour.ca/news/news.aspx?iIDArticle=17815
http://www.paltelegraph.com/hot-topic/1215-could-israel-be-making-these-du-weapons-and-what-are-the-implications
Former US officials..claim CIA was to hire assassination teams..modeled after the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad's targeted killing specialist squads.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=100785§ionid=3510203
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=1700
Fatah Secretary-General..Farouk Kaddumi revealed that Palestinian Authority(PA)leader Mahmoud Abbas..and former Gaza strong man Muhammed Dahlan..conspired to murder Yasser Arafat ..in connivance with Israel..and the Central Intelligence Agency..(CIA
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/who-murdered-arafat/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/jakarta-hotel-bombs-the-military-the-cia.html
Vilified,Courageous Cynthia McKinney inside Gaza
http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=132623