The Pope has called for a ‘world governing body’ (‘New York Times’ 7/7/09).

He ‘criticized the current economic system “where pernicious effects of sin are evident”’.

He will get along famously with our Kevin. Both gentlemen have no clue on economics, and the idea of world government is an old Soviet –sponsored international communist idea, which will also sit well with our neo-socialist PM. Does the Pope know this?

Goodbye national sovereignty, hallo remote world dictators

>> the idea of world government is an old Soviet–sponsored international communist idea <<

Yeah, and the neo-con fantasy of the New American Century never existed (http://www.newamericancentury.org).

Thr previous US government made the most concerted push for world domination since the Third Reich, and you're harking back to the Soviet era for an example.

How balanced and accurate.

The pope and Kev must be joking if the corrupt UN or European Union is anything to go by. Can you imagine all these Israel haters joining force. Well somehow I think they might get their wish but thankfully the end of the book shows they have no chance of winning out. A one world Government would certainly love to embrace the gw fantasy and destroy the living of many of those evil humans who work hard to make a living for their families. Of course members of this one world Government like many of the film stars would need their private jets in order to tell the rest of us how evil we are because we drive cars or heat our houses. Man's arrogance knows no bounds.

Dear Leigh,

Are you a reader of science/fiction?
If you are you'd be aware that
there have been many scenarios that have shown
the future of this planet to be governed by one
unified powerful entity, with representatives from all
nations. (Similar to the current UN in intent -
only better -
because the UN doesn't seem to work to well).

History has shown - that science fiction - sometimes
becomes fact - given the vision of far-sighted
innovators - and prevailing circumstances such as
major world catastrophes.

So, the Pope and our PM could well be future trend
setters - and we have to be patient to see if
what's being suggested - could possibly benefit us
globally.

We in this country are often too quick to criticize
and therefore lag behind more progressive nations.

The 'Politics of Kev and Benny,' may just be what the
world needs at this economically difficult time.

A World Govt without direct democratic elections will be tyranny of unbelievable proportions.We here in NSW elected a useless Govt that continues to ignore the will of the people.Just imagine a world Govt that is over 1000 times more powerful and bureaucratic.

Just be careful what you wish for,since the reality could be your worst nightmare.

A one world government is as inevitable as the sun rising in the East tomorrow morning.

It won't, and can't, happen in "our" lifetimes.

But it WILL happen.

One of the worst human inventions is "countries". It leads to fear, misunderstandings, wars, hate, prejudice - - - the negative list is almost endless. One of the worst examples are countries that lock themselves away from the rest of the world, like North Korea or the old China in the middle parts of last century. Also, countries who feel they must attack other countries or territories (usually resulting in thousands of dead innocent civilians); countries like Israel, USA, North Vietnam.

By nature, humans are territorial. That is a weakness, not a strength.
Until we can throw away the shackles of primitive "territorial" behaviours we won't be ready for a world government. The human race has a bit more evolving to do before it reaches that stage.

That stage will be reached eventually, probably within a few hundred years.

World government is the fantasy of the lunatic Left. All the horrors of Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. Of cause the Left is sure that they will be the pigs and have control over the rest of us.

Runner,

Full agreement on the UN. That corrupt, incompetent organization governing anything is a huge joke.

Sancho,

Don't know what to say to you. You are a strange fellow who seems to spend too much time finding whacko websites which are irrelevant to the subject. Always fun to hear from you, though.

Foxy,

Now we all know your problem: science fiction.

Arjay,

Yep. We only have to look at the EU, and what that sort of government-for-all has done to Europe - turned it into a circus of 'rights' for everyone, and responsibilities for no-one. It won't be worth the trouble of having individual parliaments soon.

Master,

Nothing is 'inevitable' about world government if people come to their senses. The first thing Australians have to do is stand up to Rudd on his stupid Australian/Asia version of the EU.

Undoubtably you believe what you say, but you certainly have a very strange attitude to countries which you think are going to disappear as entities 'within a few hundred years'. Countries and areas where people are born and stay loyal to have been around from thousands of years. Would you mind telling me just how you came to your beliefs?

Part one
Some reasons for a world government.
1. Health. Today millions of people are moving arount our planet transfering viruses etc from one country to an other, from one continent to an other. We can not solve this problem in national level, this problem is very big and need cooperation from many countries, many universities, many hospitals etc. Even if we block the entrans to our country we can have health problems, from the birds, from the fishes, from the air, etc. We need an international body for health problems.
2.Weapons of mass distraction. We have nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, electronic weapons. All these weapons are dangerous not only for the enemies bit for all humanity. Today their size become smaler and smaller, we will destroy our planet if we do not control them, and we can not control them if we do not have an internation body to do this job.
3. Risks from the use of nuclear energy or other human activities for peacefull use. As you know the petrol is finishing, more and more nation will try to cover their needs with nuclear energy. You remember the explosion of Chernobil nuclear reactor. Years later people from Ukrane, Rumania, Bulgaria, North Greece and other countries continue to have health problems etc of cause it. We need an international body which will check these reactors to minimize the risks and coordinate the countries to minimize the damages and costs from any accidents.
4. Internet, internet crime, electronic crime etc. We need an international body to control all this things which can not controled from one country. Without an international body the internet can convert our planet to hell, banks, power stations, universities etc could have huge problems or may be they will have to shut down, we need an international body for it.
5. international crime, drugs, human traficing, money lountry, pirates, etc. We need an international body to protect us from international criminals.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Continue

Part two
6. environment, climate change, huriceans, sea level rise, drought, high temperatures, not enouph drinking water , tsunamis, ozon, UV, skin cancers, migration of hundrends of million of people from country to country, from continent to continent we need A STRONG INTERNATIONAL BODY TO SOLVE THESE HUGE PROBLEMS!
7. Peace, if every country use its military forces to grab the wealth from an other country then our planet will become a hell, we need an international criminal court , we need an international body to restore the justice and peace.
8. As you know often fall on the earth big rocks from the space on the earth, some times they destroyed everything on the earth, the disappearance from dinosaurus and other live beings caused by this kind of falls on the earth. We know soon or later our planet will be destroyed, THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANS TO STAY ALIVE IS THE SPACE, but the cost of the space exploration is very high, we can not allow few countries to control the space and leave all other countries withought hope in the future. WE MUST WORK ALL TOGETHER FOR THE SPACE EXPLORATION AND SPACE COLONIZATION. We know that our planets are not moving on a fix line but they come closer each other. It is 100% IT IS SURE THAT IN LONG TERMS OUR PLANET WILL COLLIDE WITH AN OTHER PLANET AND NOTHING LIVE WILL STAY ON OUR PLANET.
We need an international body for the space.
9. Genetic Engineering. human evilution speed up, creation of the new humans, withouht the weakness, sick genes, etc of mondern humans, we will improve human abilities, we will improve the human kind and we must do it for all humans, for all races, for all people from any religious, etc we need an international body.
I COULD WRITE ONE MILION REASONS WHY WE NEED AN INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENT! NO FREE TIME
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Antonios,

Bravo!

Brilliantly said!

Your best posts yet.

Dear Leigh,

What's with you throwing labels around like
the 'socialist left?' I know it's intended as
some sort of an insult but I thought that term
went out years ago and today it's not really
relevant.

As for 'my problem' (as you put it) - it's not
at all science fiction. My taste in reading
is much wider than that. It varies through
many genres - from romance, historical novels,
westerns, crime, thrillers, even to children's
stories (Harry Potter). I also love biographies,
and works by authors such as Henry Reynolds,(Why
Weren't We told?),
Tor Hundloe,(From Buddha to Bono),
Monica Attard (Russia: Which Way
Paradise?)to name just a few.

If loving to read - you consider a problem -
yes, then I've got one. Big time!

"Whacko websites", Leigh? You're demonstrating your ignorance. George Bush Jr. - whom you supported through thick and thin - took his entire doctrine of spreading democracy from the The Project for the New American Century, which was knee-deep in everything the previous US administration planned. It's not some spurious internet rumour, but a simple and basic fact of neo-con history - and you don't even know it.

Just so you're aware of the magnitude of your ignorance, what you've written is like saying that a link to the CFMEU is "whacko" and completely unrelated to the ALP.

Oh, I'm sure you don't know what to say. You don't have anything! Two posts in, and I've already demonstrated that you're talking out of your hat. A new record, surely.

its clear the current system isnt working[many may be in denial that the world is run by a shadow govt,who run the two party/banking media law ,petrochemical and medicine cartels...

who via continual war's on those deemable to be a threat..have created a hell on earth..[for many]..despite a few vocal spokesmen who love creating wealth from the crumbs of the tables...of the industrial multinationals..

we wont get into the little fiefdoms of the world..[israel,north korea,burma,egypt,georgia etc,where tinpot armies run the civilians population...or where we have police forces of the world policing things like recreational;drugs..and petty crime

[yet not child molestors or the big multinational fraudsters that highjaked the banking system/media and the other giant[too big to fail]..cartels and franchises

Foxy,

No need to be so defensive - or is there? The socialist left is well and truly still with us, with more and more of them coming out of the woodwork all the time. If you feel insulted by that remark, you are likely to be one of them. For my part, it is a description of certain people in society; just like I would be considered conservative or Right wing. Being called a Right winger or conservative is no insult to me; I wouldn't want to be thought of any other way.

Your support of a certain extreme Left winger on OLO suggests to me that you are very firmly in the Left wing camp.

Dear old Sancho,

Your production of whacko web sites doesn't make me ignorant. I know that a great deal of the stuff on the net is utter rubbish, whereas you don't seem to realise this. Anyone can put just about what they like on a web site.

I never 'supported' George W. Bush; I just prefer his politics to those of the sort of dope they have there now. Perhaps you don't think I should think that way but, hey, I do!

"Just so you're aware of the magnitude of your ignorance, what you've written is like saying that a link to the CFMEU is "whacko" and completely unrelated to the ALP."

Well, pardon me, but I have to say that is a pretty whacky comment of yours, with absolutely no relation to anything said so far.

"...and I've already demonstrated that you're talking out of your hat."

How have you demonstrated that I'm talking through my hat? You don't have the nous to do that, comrade, and you never will.

Nevertheless, I always look forward to your latest clowning and buffoonery; keep it coming, and have a nice weekend.

Foxy,

PS: please feel free to read whatever you like :)

One World Government would be great if it was Christian but an unmitigated disaster if it was based on any other religion. The principles of the Constitution based on the New Testament would be great, if they were implemented worldwide. True Christianity values the individual efforts of every human being created in God’s image, and when 12 of them come together, as a jury, then the One World Government for which the Holy Bible is a template, is a reality, because justice for everyone would be the ultimate result.

Before nationalists pushed for the breakup of the British Empire the nearest thing to One World Government existed throughout the British possessions, but when little rebel groups like Smith’s Zimbabwe could thumb their nose at law and order, and disobey orders from Britain, the breakup was inevitable.

Even Australia cannot agree on One Australian Government, under a High Court, because the High Court has abdicated its responsibility to be a Federal Supreme Court, and the Federal Court is full of lazy people who want the big money without wanting to work. The lazy lawyers on the Federal Court, are too stupid or lazy to do the work the High Court should be doing, even though they can by reference to S 39B Judiciary Act 1903, and the High Court is too lazy to make them.

Now if Saint Kevin were to intervene on behalf of Almighty God, and point out that courts of justice are a Royal Prerogative, vested in the Queen by Almighty God, and S 39 Federal Court of Australia Act 1976 is illegal by reference to S 15A Acts Interpretation Act 1901 ( Cth), an act cited with approval by the High Court in Pape, brought down yesterday, the media may just listen.

All these lazy sods need to make them work as required by the Great Engineer, is to ensure everyone who wants a jury can have one, and no one who comes to Almighty God for justice, is turned away by the Federal Court. Nothing wrong with the idea, it is ordained by Almighty God

Foxy
The question is not if we need an international government but how we can press our politicians for an international government, when they know that nationalists and extrem nationalists are not ready for an international government.
You know my good friend Leigh,do not like to understand that we can promote our local interests better through an international government, that we have no other choice than to try all together for the big, for the most important problems of human kind,
It is seemed that our society is not ready yet for an international government but we know that the next century will find our planet with an international government!
I do not know if in the other world I could find Leigh and imform him for the good news, the creation of an international government but I am sure next generations will not be so fanatic as Leigh!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

It is notable that in an encyclical that seems to have made much of the word ‘balance’.

While the pope called for: MORE SAY to the less developed countries in the UN.

There was, strangely enough, no corresponding call for those less developed nations to CONTRIBUTE MORE towards the UNs upkeep.

A clear case of: REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION.

It will no-doubt be popular with the usual give-us-more crowd --–but it’s hardly sustainable.

Peter the Believer,

An interesting post. I’m not sure that I see a place for religion, but the reference points up the seriousness of the total lack of credence people have given to the religious war being waged against the West by Islam. There’s no hope of cooperation from a very large percentage of the world’s population.

The current G8 talk-fest, and those before it; the fighting between states and federal governments in Australia, even with the same brand of politics; the lack of uniformity of law throughout Australia. These things and many other disagreements show the up the fantasy of world government for what it is.

ASymeonakis,

You are a dreamer with no evidence to back up your claims for a brave new world. Just because the THINK things could be better doesn't make it so. Your ideas sound very much like the political rhetoric we get before elections - throw away promises with no evidence base.

Horus,

And, there are already too many of these undeveloped, backward countries who can’t run their own affairs, having a say in the UN. Wouldn’t it be good to have no-hoper, greedy despots as part of a world government!

If the likes of David Rockerfeller,George Souris, Henry Kissenger have their New Wold Order,then say goodbye to any freedom you have left.It will not be a Democratic NWO but run by Global Corporate powers.If they are going to have a new world currency,then it must by owned by everyone,meaning neither the Global Reserve Banks,IMF or the World Bank own it.

What we do is make every person on the planet a shareholder in the creation of the money supply and the profits go back to them.Then you will have something approaching democracy.

Leigh is a paragon of conservative political correctness. Hit him with an easy fact that destroys his argument, and he dismisses it as fiction, then follows up with a pious and completely unsubstantiated opinion which he expects will be accepted as gospel.

Clearly, he doesn't even expect to be able to carry an argument based on evidence, so this thread amounts to "everyone tell me how great my opinions are, and I'll plug my ears when someone points out that they're based on rubbish."

Everyone Google "The New American Century" and tell Leigh just how "whacko" and unrelated to the Bush administration it is. And stick around, because it's only a matter of time before he tries to argue that the moon is made of cheese, and that all evidence to the contrary is the product of fringe internet loonies.

*THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANS TO STAY ALIVE IS THE SPACE*

Deary me, what a frigging bunch of dreamers :)

Antonious, before you go dreaming about space, perhaps we should
start with looking after the one planet which we now have.

Nearly all the problems you list are tied up with an unsustainably
rising population. Solve that one, the rest kind of falls into
place. That is mankinds downfall. We think we can dominate
nature, rather then live sustainably as part of nature. It will
also be our downfall. Never mind, one day the planet will spin
with cockroaches and ants on board. Human history will have been
one of a species with a larger brain, able to invent new things,
but too stupid to look after what was there, sustainably.

World Govt? You have got to be kidding! The UN shows just how
useless we are at agreeing on anything. Just imagine, when
1000 million Chinese outvote 20 million Australians, they will want
their iron ore for nothing, for Australians are better off then
the Chinese, will be the claim. The tyranny of the majority will
not solve anything, so keep dreaming children, it ain't going to
happen.

Dear Leigh,

You remind me of my father so much, ( and I
miss him dreadfully). He was also a very
conservative man, like you. And I learned so
much from him. We didn't agree with quite a
few things - but I respected him and his views.

As for my
political persuasion? I'm not sure where I'd
fit in - I tend to vary, depending on the issues.
I think that the main reason I objected to your
use of differentiating people politically - is
that I don't like labels. Most people I know
don't usually fit into one specific category.

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging my love of reading,
and for this thread. It's always interesting to read
a wide variety of opinions - especially on political
topics.

Yabby
"Just imagine, when 1000 million Chinese outvote 20 million Australians, they will want their iron ore for nothing. I thought that NOW Chinese take our iron ore for nohing!"
Do not worry an international government will not underestimate or ignore the local interests and worries. Do you see what happened in European union? We can find the right way to solve this kind of conflicts.
"The tyranny of the majority will not solve anything"
Realy! Do you prefer in australia to transfer the power to aborigines and avoid the tyrany of majority?
"Antonious, before you go dreaming about space, perhaps we should
start with looking after the one planet which we now have"
WE, THE HOMO IDIOTS HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF OUR PLANET AND WE WILL DO IT, THE ONLY SURE WAY IS THE SPACE!
The largest mass extinction to have affected life on Earth was in the Permian-Triassic, which ended the Permian period 250 million years ago and killed off 90% of all species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event#Recent_pre-historic_impact_events
"We're looking for the killer asteroid" Heasley told the committee that the National Academy of Sciences created at Congress' request.
http://www.physorg.com/news149091961.html
Sudan asteroid was spotted 20 hours before it
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/meteorite/
AIAA recommends that the following steps be taken to protect the Earth from NEO impacts:
http://www.planetarydefense.info/resources/pdf/Asteroids-Final.pdf
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Leigh
"You are a dreamer with no evidence to back up your claims for a brave new world"
You have right. I am a dreamer and I work and I fight and I try, and I wish and I hope to convert my dreams to reality! I do not say that I am a brave man bur sure I am not the most scary one!
My brother Leigh! Imagine some centuries before a Dreamer like me to say that there is a continent which one day we will colonize and will name it Australia! All people would called him crazy dreamer! HERE WE ARE!
You seem broken my friend, you stack in the past and you can not see any leight in the tunel!
Humans always have been brave, some of them more, always they have provoced their environment, always they have provoced their future! We are unlucky because we born early but we know that humans have improved their abilities very fast, that we have changed our conditions, that we learned many things, that we can see further into the future, that we can see further into the space. All these people who died for space exploration, who died searching in laboratories and hositals, all the people who have dreamed and have fought for a new, brave, fair, smart, democratic world ALL THESE HUMANS ARE OUR NEW HEROS, OUR NEW COLONISTS, OUR NEW DRIVERS, OUR NEW PIONERS! You and me are tired, we have remained behind, more me than you, but we know that human kind is marching for new qoncuests!
I know, you know that human beings are from good staff AND I AM PROUD FOR THEM AND I FEEL SHAME FOR MY WEAKNESS, FOR MY SELF!
Our dreams are the first steps for our long, great march!
EVIVA THE GREAT HUMAN PIONERS! EVIVA THE INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENT!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

* I thought that NOW Chinese take our iron ore for nohing!*

They still want it for less, as we all can see right now.

*Do not worry an international government will not underestimate or ignore the local interests and worries. Do you see what happened in European union?*

Ho ho ho Antionious, you must be Santa :) The EU is a disaster,
a hopeless way to run anything. But the beaurocrats running it
get fatter and fatter. No thank you lol.

*Realy! Do you prefer in australia to transfer the power to aborigines and avoid the tyrany of majority? *

Democracy is the best we have and it works best, in smaller countries,
where people actually get to have a say. In Western Australia its
bad enough being governed from Canberra, they are totally out of
touch with what happens here. Now imagine the same thing, being
goverened from New York or Beijing or wherever. You would have no
say at all. Stop dreaming Antonious.

*WE, THE HOMO IDIOTS HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF OUR PLANET AND WE WILL DO IT, THE ONLY SURE WAY IS THE SPACE!*

We will most likely wreck this planet without any asteroids, so make
it uninhabitable for warm blooded creatures. We are well on our
way there, with ever more people, thus guaranteeing ever more
conflicts and problems. But we don't want to face it, so talk of
space and international govts. Sorry, but its rubbish. I am a
realist.

While I have been lost in ciber space for 8 days, dead PC new one now, I have not missed our thread starters rants.
It truly clearly is time.
Time conservatives looked at the polling and asked is this working?
Last two days have seen even more of the rubbish dished up in regard to China and these business men.
Would any rational government rush to judgment on this issue?
Howard put a plan in place for things like this in our rational ship with China, we are acting under that plan.
Conservatives complaining screaming stamping feet, pushing an empty wheel barrow and wondering why they are not gaining s wasteful.
Polling shows very clearly, they re on the wrong track, should pull their heads in, the next time they gain power it Will have to be well earned not cry baby stuff.