Protagoras
"Who precisely are you referring to when you say “Australians” are racist?" For me all Australians are Australians, I try to avoid to divide them, I try to avoid to blaim specific groups, I promote the idea from Australians, I prefer to blaim or promote all Australians.
I blaim extreme or extrem nationalist Australians not Anglo Sanon,when I do it I prefer to explain that I speak for Anglo Saxon not because they are more or less racists from the others, but because they are the main, the dominant group.
You did not understand me! I am very noisy for people' rights, for migrants, women, refugee etc I try to maximize the benefits them with the minimum cost for australians, for Australian society.
I avoid to do what you are doing here deviding the australians and blaiming specific australian groups. I do not say you lie, that south europeans are not as you repeadetly wrote, simple I say we all are australians, lets help the victims, let's bring them closer to the main australian body whithouht to create other kind of conflicts.
Protagoras I do not fight against any australian group, I support the weaks, the people in need with care for minimum cost.
I think you care more how to protect a specific australian group and less than me for the division you create to the australian body and you dot not care very much for the weaks and people in need.
I hope you understand what I try to tell you.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Ok let's get back to the original, and ongoing, 2 purposes of this thread for many people here:

1) to demonise refugees directly and indirectly,

2) to use the "environment" as a phony excuse to demonise refugees via either support of, or non criticism of, others who display a paranoid fear of what they "believe" are the repercussions of refugees and migrants in this country.

FACT (1) The paranoid among us believe that 10,000 refugees are coming here right now, and this figure has expanded (in their minds) to over 1,000,000 refugees on their way specifically to "HERE". All a reader has to do is read the topic - - -- they've put it down in writing (luckily on this site they can't go back and alter their contributions)

FACT (2) Therefore, they "DEMONISE" refugees and/or migrants, and imply they are the worst types of people imaginable, like banjo did by writing the following scare mongering warnings about potential "migrants" - - - - they murder their wives, they are pedophiles and it's "normal practice" for them, they pour acid on women, they are genital mutilators, they practice incest as "normal practice", they are filled with hate. Not ONE person here against refugees or migrants has taken Banjo to task about his skewered and twisted views. Not ONE anti refugee/migrant person.

Fact(3) The environment is used as a convenient argument by some people to cover the real motivation for their opposition to refugees/migration. These people usually have zero history regarding the protection of the environment; they just consult the internet (where anyone can get so called evidence/proof/references to support just about anything, from the existence of Aliens and ghosts to humans never 'really' walked on the moon. People who have a more "real" interest in the environment like Ludwig, don't criticise the paranoid filled scare mongering from the likes of Belly/Banjo/cornflower because he's basically in agreement with them. The "environment" is their straw man argument.

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Their opposition to refugees and/or migration, as usually betrayed by their 'language' (which they often don't realise), is based on FEAR OF DIFFERENCE. In the late 40s, 50s and 60s the anti immigration lobby, which was HUGE in those days, used exactly the same type of language and scare mongering against the Italians, Greeks and other migrants. They "believed" our nation was doomed because of all those horrid, alien Italians coming here.

And so the FEAR OF DIFFERENCE continues to this very day.

FACT: Migrants, throughout our history and to this day, have made FANTASTIC citizens.

FACT: Refugees and migrants are no better, and no worse, than the people already here.

FACT: Refugees, throughout our history and to this day, have made FANTASTIC citizens.

Banjo
I know that you askedme something and I did not answer to you, in realy I know that I did it to many others. I am working full time plus I have to do the second sift at home, I live alone and I must do the work at home, (women' s second sift). I know you, you know me you can wait! I think you are retired and you can right from your workplace, not me!
"do wonder how you reconcile all this, with your support for migrants to come here and their rights, and your support for the workers already here and the need for lower cost rental housing"
You have right, we have a problem here, in realy many problems.
1, Totaly block the foreign students to work, with hard fines to employers who employee them and a body to search for ilegal foreign student employment and calling for public support to give information about it.
2. Full support to refugees, it is our international oblication, a humanitarian issue, it our duty to support the people who are victims of cause their fight for the basic rights asd democracy etc.
3. Stop the imigration for technicians etc qualified persons and greate the bodies in australia to train australians, accordint to our needs and standard.
4. Continue the migration of family reunion etc, we care for australian people and we do everything to make them happy with their family members. I do like to devide brothers and sisters, parents and children, we are sensitive humans and we care for australians. I think most migrants come the point system, stop them at all ang give priorities to refugees and family reunion. NEW ZEALANDERS LEAVE THEM FREE NICE PEOPLE, VERY CLOSE TO AUSTRALIANS!
My friend I have no time for the housing etc. SORRY!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Aww phoowey! From my last post;

“The only reason that I kept answering a couple of key questions was because you repeatedly weren’t giving any answers.”

Asking, not answering.

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"FACT: Migrants, throughout our history and to this day, have made FANTASTIC citizens.

FACT: Refugees and migrants are no better, and no worse, than the people already here."

Well said that man.

Antonios, thankyou hon... Kiwi's are very close in most things to Australians. I don't feel once here that Australians are too keen on us. On the other hand when Aussies move to NZ the only questing the Kiwi's have is "why?". It is beyond us why you would leave your climate.