DIPLOMAN

It is a horrifying thought, isn't it?

From my reading of the first post there was no question of disallowing genuine refugees. All countries jealously guard their sovereign right to choose who they allow across their borders and who they allow to settle permanently.

What is at issue is how to deter and hopefully prevent people smuggling and there are agents for people smuggling in Australia as well as in nearby countries.

Were any of us in the same situation where we have to flee our country it would be doubtful if we would be inclined to pay a hefty fee to a people smuggler to bypass countries that were English speaking with a culture similar to our own.

Australia is not alone in this, we are obliged to act in accord with other countries and the problems are world-wide. I am pleased if economic refugees an undesirables are weeded out and especially the many Tamil Tigers and other dangerous groups who are out to find another country for refuge from authorities.

Returning to the central theme, what is to be done to prevent or deter people smuggling?

Antonios Symeonakis,

Why do you continually duck the question posed by Belly?

"Tell me mate, I have asked before, why the vast differences in your posts, in composition and every thing?"

Cornflower I went and had a nosey and it seems that passion changes Antonios’s messages slightly but seems more like comfort. This one:

“Only a very small number of the victims inform the Human Rights Commission for their victimization and they do it when it is very late. The whole system needs deep, huge changes if we want to bring justice and stop the victimization of innocent people.
When 75% of Australian people say we are racists they know what they say, but In really I am not sure if the Federal and State Governments understand the size of the race discrimination in Australia
Antonios Symeonakis Adelaide Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 7:14:48 PM"

As he got more comfortable posting he has speed up a bit? How is he supposed to answer?

Paranoid bunch aren’t ya.[smile]

Is it luck the Dutch left again? It was bad luck for the convicts and they didn't even want to be here. Why are you all wetting your pants at the thought of sharing?

In Christchurch when we had whole subburbs of Asians my only thought around groups like "White Supremists" protesting was how up themselves they were to think they had more right because they had been there that whole generation or the one before. Even if their family had arrived on the first four ships, how dare they.

Terrible they have to sneak in, that's bloody awful that humans have to smuggle their way in to try and have a life worth living.

Banjo
You asked me if migrants -refugees are natural aliens with aborigines.
No I do not mean it. Simple I say that:
1. We migrants and refugees hava nothing to do with all the bad things which hapened in the past against aborigines. We can see aborigines as they are. For you, for anglo ausie the things are not so simple, so easy. You know that something terible hapened with aborigines but it not ease to accept that this happened from your parents, grandparents etc. You know that your grandparents was lovely, quite persons, they cared and loved their children and grandchildren, it is not ease to accept the truth. We had the same problem with the Greek fighters for indepentands from Otoman Turks. In one city they made a big crime but every one run to cover them, even the poets! Our Neutrality give us the chance to create better relations with aborigines than you. Even if you are more honest and fair with aborigines from us, even then the aborigines will trust us more than you, they always will suspect that you take your grand, grand fathers side!
2.We, migrants -refugees, have a problem with racists, studies show that 35% of us think that they are victims of race discrimination in their workplace, if you add the discrimination in public sector then you have about 50% of us (migrants -refugees) to feel as victims of race discrimination! All this people feel a sympathy to aborigines, to the big victims of race discrimination.
3. You know the history, the british empire was the bigest one ever exist. Many migrants in australia had same experiences with aborigines in their countries from the same nation! They feel closer to aborigines.
I hope I answered to your question!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Pied piper,
Nothing to apologise for. I took no offence at anything you said. I was surprised thet you were surprised by my not understanding the english spoken by Indians or the Scotish. One advantage of getting older is that if there is something I don't want to do, I don't have to. Including watching or listening to shows or people I do not understand and/or like. TV adverts are out and I revere the remote.

Insular is probably an apt description. I avoid travel at peak times and holiday periods and did work hard for our creature comforts which I enjoy. I want our grandkids to be able to do the same on their retirement. I would hate to think that we left Aus to them in a state like many countries endure with riots and bloodshed. Europe and UK are in a mess because of uncontroled migration, which you seem to advocate.

If you perceive OLO as being unattractive, you need to try some other blogs to see how some talk to each other. Try muslim village to see how some view Aus.

If we could pass some of the 10,000 off to NZ that would be great, but I really would like a bit more detailed response as to what you would do and how it would work, etc. By the way, more Kiwis arrive here than any other group, so what is wrong over there?

To even ask the question, you must have had some thoughts.

Dear Antonios,

I've got a question for you ...

You keep referring in your posts to -
youself as a 'migrant,' yet you've
been in your current job (you told us)
for sixteen years - and I presume you've
been in Australia for a bit longer than
that.

How long will it take, how many
years that is - before you'll no longer
consider yourself a migrant?

Australia like the US is a nation of
'migrants,' migrants are part of its national
identity. If you go back into anyone's ancestry
you'll find that their people came from somewhere
else, settled here and became part of this country.

Also,instead of making general sweeping statements,
you really need to be more specific, give facts,
not emotions. Making generalisations about people
does not honour you - nor give you credibility.
Not every "Anglo," is a racist,
the same as not every "migrant,"
is tolerant, and compassionate

Cornflower
"Why do you continually duck the question posed by Belly?" I answered to this question,
I will answer one more time to you and if Belly ask me again please copy this answer ang give it to Belly.
2. I live alone, no children, no wife, ALONE! I am working 6 days per week, I am busy.
I see my children usual on weekends. They do not know anything for my posts. I AM NOT IDIOT, THEY NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT RACE DISCRIMINATION, ABOUT MY VICTIMIZATION. Both live with their anglo saxon friends.
3. My english is not good, I do not have any program for spelling on this computer but when I have time I use my second computer with plenty programs.
4. Many times when I have time I cut and past from many websites.
5.Usualy my posts are small and simple, the words I use are simple words, IN REALY I CAN NOT WRITE WHAT I WANT BUT THEY ARE BETER FROM NOTHING!
6.In my post I do not use the same style, some times I am hard and some times soft, some times I am far in front and other times back, I try to pull my readers when I am front or to push them fordward when I am back.
7. Always I want to have an open door or window even with my hardest opponent, always I try to biuld a bridge even if everything seemed terible.
8. I try to be unpredictible and my moves are unorthodox, many times when I seem agry in realy I am very calm and other times when I seem soft may be I am angry.
9. I AM AN HONEST PERSON AND I DO NOT LIKE TO HURT ANY ONE.
10.SURE I AM A FIGHTER AGAINST RACE DISCRIMINATION AND ANY KIND OF DISCRIMINATION GENERALY.
Are you happy Cornflower? I am not good but I am not the worst one..

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide