TPP, AS

Did the same AS write this in 2008?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1812

Sheesh, everyone is busy attacking everyone, the key points are
being missed yet once again!

Fact is that there are tens of millions of refugees, Australia cannot
solve all their problems, that is the reality.

How many refugees we take a year, is open for political discussion.
So go on people, put a number on it. 30'000 a year perhaps?

Next question, how do we select them fairly? Who can pay the most
bribes is clearly not a fair system, for what about those refugees,
like women, children, who don't have two cents to their name?

The 1951 UN convention was set up for post war Europe, its a long
time out of date and its time that it was updated. Its become a great
loophole for economic refugees who prefer to the Western cushy
lifestyle, to that in third world countries.

Australia is free to withdraw and change its terms of ageement,
but our politicians lack the testicles to promote a fair system.
For instance, all our refugee intake could come from refugee
camps etc, not by clappity boat race decision.

PP, clearly there are some innovative and entrepreneurial kids
in NZ! They could teach Aussie kids a thing of two :)

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=2&ContentID=153074

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Dear Yabby,

Thanks for the link -
Here's another called
'Virtual Success.'

http://www.entrepreneur.com/startingabusiness/teenstartups/article195554.html

I see that the same old canards are being trotted out by those who wish to demonise asylum seekers who come to Australia by boat. For the record:

1. The vast majority of 'boat people' who came to Australia under the Howard regime were subsequently found to be bona fide refugees, i.e. they weren't economic immigrants in disguise.

2. Malaysia and Indonesia, unlike Australia, are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, which means that they are not required under International Law to provide asylum to refugees. Further, asylum seekers who pass through those countries are often treated appallingly by them - the fact that they are predominantly Muslim countries makes little difference in their attitude to refugees, i.e. asylum seekers aren't 'country shoppers' because they don't remain in Malaysia or Indonesia.

3. John Howard didn't stop the boat people from trying to reach Australia. They kept coming, in gradually decreasing numbers in line with a temporary decline in the various conflicts from which they had to flee. Similar trends were recorded in every country where refugees seek asylum. The recent reported increase in refugee and potential asylum seeker numbers is a product of continuing and increased conflict, and has little to nothing to do with the Rudd government's adoption of a more humane approach to asylum seekers.

While I'm aware that some people here are deeply prejudiced against 'boat people' and are predisposed to believe any factoid that supports their bigotry, in a discussion like this it's apparently necessary to remind them of these well-established facts.

I also see that Turnbull's in the news tonight demanding that Rudd does more to stop boat people reaching Australia, exactly as I predicted early in the thread. How despicable.

C J Morgan

To cut directly to the chase, you would welcome all boats and immediately integrate the passengers into society while you were doing checks (you support checks?).

Then you would do what with those who were not bona fide refugees? What appeal rights and where would they live in the interim? If appeals extended beyond (say) a year would you still require them to leave?

What practical steps would you take to deter people smuggling, or is that pointless and unprincipled as you seem to be saying?

Banjo I’m still sorry. Wonder if anyone else does it… does have a real calming effect. Oh my god – some things I have said to Col, if only he knew.

“If we could pass some of the 10,000 off to NZ that would be great, but I really would like a bit more detailed response as to what you would do and how it would work, etc. By the way, more Kiwis arrive here than any other group, so what is wrong over there? “

It’s bloody cold.

“To even ask the question, you must have had some thoughts.”

Yeah I did but although I can run a busy multicultural household I doubt that equates to running a country. I just sort stuff when it gets crowded, gather more supplies, work a bit harder, give the little people jobs and roles in the household. Peer pressure has a lot to do with how they learn and the ones that have been here already teach the newbie’s, I demand teamwork and encourage kindness and contact.

As PM of my domain I don’t tolerate breaking of rules and no I don’t care how cute you are, I want the little people to learn and share knowledge. I welcome new people with open arms although I don’t think I’m like how the Dutch messed up; I will respect who you are and where you come from but this is my house with my rules and the same rules apply to everyone.

I blither on aye. At a practical Ievel I agree with some others. Let the people come and slow down birth rates until stabilized. I asked you guys figuring you’d know more about what would make it work than me.

Yabby’s idea would stop smuggling – big official once a year ship. Train them and everything on the voyage.

Cornflower if you look two messages under Antonios's (the one you put a link to) he is either in more of a hurry or cross (although might be different computer like he said).