Belly, Thanks for the reminder. I too want to ask Antonios about why he posted that bit about charging illegal entrants for their stay in detention.

Antonios,
Do you think that charging illegal entrants for their detention proves we are racist? Do you think that if we exercise border control ammounts to racism?

Why do you think that an illegal is held in detention for a long period? Is it because we are racist or that the detainee told lies to the immigration officials and kept giving incorrect information and used the appeals process to try and pull a swifty? Why would he lose his idenity and travel documents? He needed them to get to Indonesia did he not? If he has mucked us around for all that time, should he not pay for it?

The illegals that are bona fide get through in reasonable time. It is the ones that lie that are the problem. The one that lies could be anything, a criminal on the run, a serial rapist, a convicted thief. Should we just allow whoever to walk into our country? If we are lax, it would soon be exploited.

I see that Banjo's still rabbiting on about "Lebs" and "illegals".

I can't imagine why anybody would think he's a racist.

Banjo

For the kazillionth time:

The majority of boat people were found to be genuine asylum seekers.

The time spent in detention had nothing to do with "lying", but everything to do with the method of processing.

See:

"The Age
EDITORIAL
September 30, 2006

Mohammed Sagar is an island on an island: as the last asylum seeker on Nauru, caught between the country he fled in 2001 and the country where he wanted to be, he is as isolated as the place where he has been held for five years.

For a year, there were two of them left on Nauru: Sagar and Muhammad Faisal, both Iraqi refugees, escaping persecution. In August last year, an ASIO assessment found both men "a risk to Australia's national security", without further explanation or recourse, and they were kept behind while 25 other refugees were allowed to enter Australia, mainly on the grounds that to remain on Nauru would be psychologically damaging...

As Michael Gordon reports in The Age today, Sagar lives a surreal existence in a cabin outside the gates of Nauru's state house processing centre. Inside are seven recently arrived Burmese refugees - the first to be sent to Nauru by Australia for four years. "I don't want to be happy," Sagar says. "I just want my life back." In effect, it has been stolen from him by the Australian Government, whose unyielding immigration policy - the so-called Pacific Solution - allows for mandatory indefinite detention on a hot, desolate and near-bankrupt island, without recourse to proper legal facilities and without thought for the human condition unless that condition becomes life-threatening. If that is the solution, how much worse is it than the problem? The truly disgraceful aspect of this entire saga is the severe mental trauma such confinement has caused or threatens to cause."
http://www.safecom.org.au/nauru-limbo.htm

Finally, have you never lost your wallet or anything in your life? Try keeping onto documents while fleeing for YOUR life.

Banjo you are entitled to an opinion, but at least base it on the facts and not your imagination.

Banjo
"No other country has a similar policy of billing refugees for their time in detention" "After 16 months in detention, Kasian was granted a temporary visa. Then he was hit with a $160,000 bill for his "accommodation" in Baxter Detention Centre"
Does not it say to you anything? What kind of human are we? Instead we to apolozgize to refugees for their long detention we ask them to pay accommodation?
What kind of fair go is for refugees when they start with $160,000 dept?
Do not you feel shame that AUSTRALIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE REFUGEES HAVE TO PAY ACCOMODATION FOR THEIR DETENTIION?
If we are so hard to refugees, to foreigners do you expect from us to be much better to other migrants who live in australia?
Do not you know that in australia live people from all corners of our planet?
When we behave with so hard way to their people, who came here as refugees, do not you know that we hurt them?
Who cares for them! Exactly! I say we do not care very much for our migrants, for their sensitivities, for their worries, for their interests!
Our behave to refugees is an INDERECT prove to our behave to migrants in australia!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

CJM,
Again I say to you that Lebs is an abreviation of Lebanese muslim. there is nothing racist about that and in fact they refer to themselves that wasy. "We're not Aussie, We're Lebs even though I was born here" Hey, I call Britons, poms or pommys and those from across the ditch, Kiwis, Is that racist too?

Illegals is short for 'illegal entrant' or 'unlawful entrant'. Since when are these terms racist. Did you not chastize the moderators here recently for not being correct. Perhaps you should define the meaning of racist for your own benefit. I will not sucumb to your efforts to get all to comply with your PC softer terms.

Antonois,
From all that you said you did NOT answer any of my questions.

You say "Our behave to refugees is an INDERECT prove of our behave to migrants in australia"

Do I now assume that you beleive our behaviour to illegals is racist and that flows on to all other migrants in Aus?

Also you still have not answered why I am a big problem to you or earlier, how much time should we give migrants to integrate?

Leigh
Thank you very much for your promotion! I know you worry very much for Australia's future, you do not trust ethnics, even me!
If you love australia, START FROM NOW TO BUILD BRIDGES WITH MIGRANTS, WITH ETHNIC MINORITIES.
Leigh I said you that I am a friend but you do not like to listen to me! Your way is hopeless! Your way drive to nowhere! Come with us, with most australians, open your heart to muslims, asians or meddle east people!
Good australian is the australian who understand and accept and cooperate and respect all australians from any race or religious group.


Belly
Already I explained you. I try to keep a door, a window open!I try to build a bridge with the other side, nationalists, racists etc, I try to keep the discussion with them alive! It is not easy, they do not like to understand me but I have to try.
About the spelling realy I do not care very much about it, not only for the english but for greek too. For me the words, the langualage is only a communication tool, if you can understand me that is ENOUPH!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid