I think that I've made my point regarding the abusive comments being a two way street. People will and have read into that what they choose to read into it and I don't see how restating it will make any difference.

I don't choose to take sides but I did consider it appropriate to point out to someone who's views I generally value that on this issue I think he could do better, I gather that my comments have been heard and disagreed with and that's fine.

Unless there is a really compelling reason to respond to further comments regarding name calling between Antiseptic and others I'll try and leave it alone now.

R0bert

Fractelle: “And I'd like an explanation from R0bert who continues to support this odious person.”

I would have preferred an explanation from the idiot-magnet Anti calls his ex-wife.

Let me explain why I respect Antiseptic

When the scandals like the Auckland incident or the Kyle and Jackie O incident occur, different people have different ideas about the 'nice' thing to do. Nice is one of those words that means different things to different people.

Fractelle and The Pied Piper seem mainly concerned about displaying (and being seen to display) empathy for the victim. This is the gender role of females in our society.

Antiseptic seems more concerned with questioning the assumptions that people make about the truth. This is what his brain has been trained to do. I can forgive his habit of insulting others, because that is what people who get insulted tend to do (without trying to figure out who started it).

I try to figure out how to fix the problem (gender roles again). If I seem to criticise the 'victim', it is only in terms of asking what are they doing to fix the problem and what else could they do better?

I follow my version of nice because it is what my conscience tells me to do. Others have their own conscience to answer to.

I've now read about 80% of this entire topic. It's pointless commenting on the subject matter, for obvious reasons. Two things stand out. One, is that people insult antiseptic. Two, is that antiseptic is a bully boy who invites those insults by his posting behaviour, and then he claims victim status as a result. It seems to go like this in his mind, they're calling him names, they started it, therefore he's being victimised. This is very typical attacker/victim, passive/aggressive behaviour that many bullies display. Usually bullies like antiseptic can easily dish it out (in fact he's written elsewhere that he's proud of this fact), but they can't take it. They then portray themselves as the victim.

But there's one thing I'll never really understand, and it's something I've noticed time and time again in life. There's always people around who are happy to defend bullies. That makes the bullies feel even more justified, and feel even more intensely that they are the real victims. It's a fact of life that bullies have no respect for others they dislike. They also have no self respect, but that doesn't matter to them as long as they think they are seen to be winning. I think antiseptic fits the classic version of a bully.

Benk: “Fractelle and The Pied Piper seem mainly concerned about displaying (and being seen to display) empathy for the victim. This is the gender role of females in our society.”

Benk honeys – my only comments about the subject are listed below:

Me:”Kyle and Jack thingi – boring. Kids mum was there and the story was boring, or is right now as husband and son tell me what it was in under ten words. Hope someone made some money.”

Me:“This is why it is not a child’s choice whether the police investigate or prosecute.
But I still am at a complete loss as the age of the person she, in the moment, claimed raped her.”

Me:"“Community Services Minister Linda Burney says she is disgusted, and has taken a personal interest in the case.”"
"Be nice if Linda would take an interest in the children currently under the guardianship of her director general.”

R0bert:"...“(as much as a 12 year old can consent to sex with a 14 year old)”
Me:”Hahahahaha…”

So err nah, far as being a typical caring female and concerned for displaying empathy... I found the girls part in the story boring. I don’t mind you all thinking I am a mummy who doesn’t like children getting hurt, that’s pretty much on the ball. Just not sure if the evidence was there in that particular thread.

Good analysis, MaryE. I'm sure you enjoyed Antiwomen's "timeless prose" and the scintillating discussion it inspires.

Today's NRL high-flyer news:

<< Rugby league risking school expulsion in wake of Greg Inglis affair

SCHOOLS could dump rugby league over fears the trouble-plagued sport is breeding a generation of thugs, school principals have warned.

President of the Queensland Association of State School Principals, Norman Hart, yesterday said the latest scandal involving league star Greg Inglis could prompt a backlash.

"I would imagine there is a risk that schools will dissociate themselves from rugby league in the wake of this," he said.

"There will certainly be conversations held over whether soccer might be a better game to be playing." >>

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25916412-3102,00.html