Fractelle

I should have addressed your other point.

From looking at different threads there are some who are skilled at the game of provoking fights between people - 'Lets you and him fight'.

When you turn back through the thread the smoking gun usually belongs to the person who first labels others as belonging to an offensive/despicable category. If the fight does not start immediately, the stirrer is in for another low shot (an even dirtier label or maybe two labels), whatever it takes to get some action.

If ever things look like quietening down the stirrer returns for another go.

Go back through this thread and see the attempts to make me fight with others. Most of us are responding without thought and entertaining the few who like fights - quite a game for them it seems.

There is a mug who follows me around asking me if I would like a 'bun' - you be the judge of what is going on there, but it isn't anything pleasant.

Cornflower

Yes I did miss your post.

However, I am in full agreement with your last post. I doubt that the "penny will drop" in my life-time - at present most women who are in power think they have to be like men and too many men have yet to learn it is okay to be warm and fluffy, that they are far more than what they do to earn a dollar.

Oooops, I just realised I was supposed to have stopped contributing to this thread. But I can't resist a communication break through. Cheers Cornflower.

Well this gives me the opportunity to thank Piper for understanding - I often think that any children I may have had were spared from a manipulative and abusive father. I have my niece and nephew to love and my sister and her hubby are terrific parents.

Fractelle, children are overated. You spend years wishing they’d grow up only to lament that they did. Looking back I enjoyed other peoples much more than my own. My girl is the most impossible, distracting…

…Oh me gawd, I finally worked it out. This is the real feminist plot… keep the stupid and perhaps psychopathic men busy.

Ginx has gone on an overseas mission hasn’t she!?

You crafty buggers, when were you going to cut me in? It’s bloody underhanded! And to rope in some decent men in your scheming, oh you are devious.

Run Anti and Friends of all things Anti – RUN! Stay off page 64, you know what number is coming up and you wont be able to stop yourselves from giggling.

Freudian slip The Pied Piper
my daughter has a newborn.
cyberbullies don't do
anybody's cause any good do they,
especially their own.
whereas gentlemen are persuasive.

TPP: “…Oh me gawd, I finally worked it out. This is the real feminist plot… keep the stupid and perhaps psychopathic men busy.”

Pleading prior ignorance, just doesn’t cut it TPP. You were part of the plot all along. Not only did you raise her, but potentially many others – ditch diggers, NRL rapists, princesses and distracters. There is possibly an odd anthropologist or psychopath, amongst them too.

I can only blame myself directly for my own children, and indirectly for my political support, style of consumerism and personal tax contributions that have aided in producing such social outcome. Never intentionally was my role direct, but was nevertheless part of that process. Deep down as you know yourself from your experiences in dealing with a state driven by its electorate to be all things to all people, while it incrementally corrupts human relations into something that can only be transacted through money, debt, tax collections and transfers.

Intuitively we all know that a state does not make a good parent, but somehow we keep encouraging it to persevere. I reckon feminism can take a bow on that one.

“Pleading prior ignorance, just doesn’t cut it TPP. You were part of the plot all along. Not only did you raise her, but potentially many others – ditch diggers, NRL rapists, princesses and distracters. There is possibly an odd anthropologist or psychopath, amongst them too."

When I look back with your descriptions it is true, I can put a little name to each one. Don’t know about NRL, was at the airport with a team once and the physical stature of these boys up close was amazing. As for my daughter, she is working at Maccas now. It makes the foster children happy just to look at her. I just kind of wonder if this is good enough.

But Seeker you can’t blame yourself (totally) even indirectly, and of course the other side where you have a wonderful child – we don’t get to take all the credit for that; DNA, friends, social interaction, television, and even illness. None of us are in full control. Did I read somewhere that you home schooled? This would give more control but still not total.

I know most people vote and then complain about the government because the politicians turned around and did something different to what they first said or implied. .. my fostering seems to revolve around budgets, whether this kid or that can go to private school, pursue a hobby – the privatized foster parents get a lot more in their basic allowances to help their kids. I don’t understand this as the state pays theses companies to pay the other parents more.

“Intuitively we all know that a state does not make a good parent, but somehow we keep encouraging it to persevere. I reckon feminism can take a bow on that one.”

I think the men can take the shame for not stepping up. They may have forgotten that roughly 50% of children are boys while they ignore those courses at uni.

Congratulations Whistler I hope all fingers and toes are intact.[smile]