Who am I to demand answers, Antiseptic? I'm the people you've utterly failed to convince of your conspiracy theory. I'm the people who can clearly see that this thread has nothing to do with football, feminism or rape, and everything to do with a sad pack of divorced men railing against their ex-wives by proxy.

What you need is counselling and a new relationship, not an OLO account.

Hey! Sancho!

Ease up on the divorcees, will ya?

It is possible to be single and utterly happy about that, in fact I am grateful every day to no longer be with my ex-husband.

Not bitter and twisted, but happy and free. And also financially independent - I wisely made sure I would not have to remain in contact with someone who would've made my life miserable, had I required his "support". My independence is such that I now have my own home and the significant other in my life has his - utter bliss.

A shame about A-septic though, his last few posts reveal how personal his attacks on feminism really is. It is possible to move on, A-septic, and the best time to start is now.

Hey Fractelle, I get that. I am happy where I am at now but I do remember the feeling of being alone, which is worlds away from being lonely and to be treasured.

And now me struggling back on topic; I watched a game tonight, nah I don’t know what game but men in shorts with a small oval ball running around doing their thing. I have never been keen on the game but I fought a good fight with some instinctive reactions and watched some instead.

But back to the game - they are completely badly behaved, sneaky hurting each other – I didn’t realize it was like that on the field and now I am not surprised how they act towards any other human off the field. On the field their life is about not following the rules or playing fair. Are they instructed how to hurt the other team or is that within the culture?

Am I wrong – did I just watch a bad (out of the ordinary) game? Light blue playing Maroon.

What a shame we can’t all have the privilege of divorcing the likes of Fractelle. She would be a pleasure to divorce – we just walk our separate ways once either of us has had enough. It is how it should be but isn’t.

Instead we have bitter people who feel entitlement deprivation, violated even, and children who suffer most as a result.

I may be totally over, my own CSA experience, but will never forget nor forgive the treatment I got as a father who did nothing wrong, other than divorce (if that can be wrong). CSA is evil. No doubt about it. But I can also understand those people who naively believe it is good. They are misguided however, for CSA does not actually save the taxpayer anything of significance, they just add to the confusion and create moral hazards. Neither female nor male “clients” of theirs, will ever really feel served, while their political reason for existence, the children for whom they supposedly “collect” will suffer no less.

Perhaps NRL footballers could do with some education. Even more so, high school boys. How to treat women would be a good subject, but the one they would most gain from, is what is expected of them later in life from a feminist perspective. Not the perspective that claims we’re all equal, because when it comes to real world practice, we’re just not.

And when it comes to education, perhaps we could also tell our girls, that it is not OK to socialise with a whole football team on their own. That it is not OK to go into men’s toilets because there is potential for bad things to occur even though it may seem like a fun thing to do at the time. When they ignore such instruction, perhaps we could allow them to take some responsibility for those choices they make. Why would that be so wrong?

TPP: << But back to the game - they are completely badly behaved, sneaky hurting each other – I didn’t realize it was like that on the field and now I am not surprised how they act towards any other human off the field. On the field their life is about not following the rules or playing fair. Are they instructed how to hurt the other team or is that within the culture? >>

Perceptive observations, and back on topic. I saw parts of the game too, and I agree that it was a spiteful affair that encapsulated much that is good and bad about Thugby League - plenty of biffo, kicking guys in the head etc. I was particularly struck by comments from the Qld coach prior to the game that they'd be targeting NSW players who were recovering from injuries.

A noble game, and a great example to us all.

Mind you, it did include the best non-try I've ever seen :)

Sancho:"I'm the people"

Pretentious much? I'm sure "the people" are incredibly grateful that you have chosen to speak for them. The poor things are so obviously in need of your great moral guidance and authority.

I note that you still haven't answered the simple question: "What does the reason for the formation of my views matter?" Hardly surprising, you contribute nothing but noise. Your views are free and worth less.

Now off you toddle and "smack around" the missus, but do try to leave the kids alone tonight, won't you?

Fractelle:"It is possible to be single and utterly happy about that, in fact I am grateful every day to no longer be with my ex-husband.

Not bitter and twisted, but happy and free"

Good for you. Did you have any children by your ex?

Like you, I'm well over my divorce. I only became interested in the subject of feminism because of my treatment by State organisations like the CSA, the Family Court, Qld Police, the Qld Magistrates Court, Legal Aid, Centrelink. As I have said previously, my ex-wife was as badly served by the system as I was, because it drove me to become militantly uncooperative with all of them. For years our relationship was poisoned by her constant efforts to litigate for more custody of the children following bad advice from lawyers interested only in maximising their own claim on Legal Aid funds.

There is a question you can answer for me, though: one of the constant refrains from those who don't like my views is that I'm "bitter" as a result of my experiences, yet there are any number of women who are constantly harping about some form of perceived slight or other and they're never called "bitter". Many of those women are divorced and their complaints are, like mine, about the system they find themselves struggling with, yet they get a figurative "you go grrrl" instead of "you hate men cos you're divorced".

Is it simply because my views are confronting, causing people to feel uncomfortable with their own unquestioned beliefs?