Whistler I am trapped. By choice, but nonetheless.

Fostering children makes you a 24 hour babysitter and I have not had a child out of my sights (except to sleep of course) since April '07.

Any course is out. I thought I would have met an OL (original local) online before now that I could talk to but have only struck one male and he is busy doing mens business, with a passion I absolutely admire I might add.

But I need a mum. Of course I could not imagine learning from the Maori or Sar's mums on the internet.

Okay so: Any aboriginal mums in the Central Coast please let me know you are out there?!

Going back to post number 1, there is little doubt that the originator was being facetious as he himself said. At worst he was being provocative and that is fair enough to stimulate discussion.

This being so, the deliberate misinterpretation, flaming, denigration, name calling and character assassination that has gone down since is completely unwarranted and shameful. It is obvious that some and I am not taking sides in this, carry unfinished baggage and hatreds from other threads and are in it for the sole purpose of continuing their battles to 'get square' as Aussie parlance would have it.

It is shattering that a poster has taken this to the extreme of pursuing his/her quarry around the Net and onto other forums, for a more than obvious purpose.

If any of this is within the spirit of the OLO forum rules I will eat my hat.

Anyway, for the few who are into them, enjoy your life-wasting negative little parlour games. CU

That was one of your better posts, whistler.

Thanks for the reminder about NAIDOC Week, and that Charlie Perkins was indeed a great football player in his younger years.

It's interesting that AFL has been raised in contrast to NRL in this discussion. Besides being a better game to watch and play, its professional equivalent to the NRL bit the bullet a few years back and began to address seriously the endemic racism, misogyny and other sociopathies associated with the AFL culture.

While this obviously upsets some - as evidenced in Antiwomen's lauded article - we certainly don't seem to hear about AFL "buns", glassings or hall-crappings the way we do with the NRL. It's not all football, and it's not all young men, by any means.

Further explanation regarding my last 2 posts:

Some time ago while looking at old posts on this site from antiwomen (in an effort to see where his misogyny on this topic was coming from)I came upon a reference regarding another site he posts on. A day ago, I clicked on that site and was really shocked at the level of hatred and anger within many of the men on that other site. I read about 30 or so posts from the men there and about 20 or so from antiwomen, and then came across his post where he reproduced the misogynist article and said he agreed "in every respect". That post stood out because it showed clear relevance to the topic on these pages.

What's written in that article bears DIRECT association to "this" topic. Why? Because it shows EXACTLY where antiwomen got his inspiration for his NRL/Channel 9 management conspiracy theory. After antiwomen established his conspiracy theory, he then went on a generalised attack. The whole idea of the topic was to give him a vehicle to attack the type of women he clearly hates and fears.

Antiwomen has shown in his past posts that he has no hesitation indulging in PERSONAL ATTACK, whether the target is here or elsewhere or whether the target is a public person or not.

I admire strong, mature men; antiwomen is juvenile and as weak as water

Cornflower wrote, "Did you know that Australian rules has the honour of being the first football code with a codified set of rules?".

Master replies: Actually you're wrong. Aussie Rules is NOT "football". Aussie Rules is "Aussie Rules". The term "Football" is the game played all over the world with that little round ball.

In my youth I played Rugby Union till I was 29 years of age; that was a long, long time ago. In those days especially, the game was played by "real" men. They played hard but fair, and there wasn't the overt "machismo from juvenile men and booze culture" that you get now especially in Rugby League.

Master: Sorry that I couldn't chip in when I first read your posts about Dads on the Air < I hope they are not representative of fathers.

I know Antiseptic and a few others (such as James H) have referred to that site, and they regularly post misogynistic hysteria that circulates amongst similar hate sites. Most of them have their origins in the US and a few UK sites and they all ultimately connect to Glen Sacks and a few others like Angry Harry; The World According to Bob, nomarriage.com, some yahoo groups and various blogs.

http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/
http://www.angryharry.com/
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2006/09/jonbenet-never-did-get-laid.html

As you’ve already noted, several posters here have little or no experience in reading or understanding research. However, they will steep themselves constantly in these hate messages; winding each other up – and they won’t consider any additional information EVER. Just totally obsessed with forcing women to cop them as they are – blaming feminism because women wouldn’t stay with them – never occurs to them to ask why their former partners wanted to get away.

You’ll find that the sites also connect to extremely conservative American political organizations and sites (capitalizing on fear and ignorance) – You might notice the muddle of facts pertaining to American society and culture that are referred to as cause for complaint in Australia; for example, fellows here parroting about the Duluth model (as if they knew what it was or what any alternative might be).

If you read some old posts you’ll see where I have responded to various claims. However the best source for information from accredited academics and researchers on gender issues (including the various women-hating menz groups) can be found at xy online – which is an Australian site put together by men who are progressive; intelligent; unafraid of women; committed to social justice and positive relationships. One of the founders, Dr. Michael Flood, posted I think to Dads on the Air (or somewhere similar) but was just abused wholesale.

http://www.xyonline.net/index.shtml
http://www.xyonline.net/downloads/backlash.pdf
http://www.xyonline.net/downloads/Fatherhood_DP59.pdf

Thanks for your eloquent posts.

Jewely Questions:

What is required for our government to not have male laws ruling both genders?/ Do you have an example of what you mean and what an alternative would be?

Are the majority of aboriginals keen to assimilate? /I don't know but don't see why Aborigines would be.

Is it okay for your place of work (NRL) to dictate your behavior afterhours?/ A lot of organizations do require that employees/members conduct themselves in ways that won't bring discredit to the organization - like government workers; Ambulance officers and other para-professionals; various professional groups; banks; law firms and so on.

Is the media the same all over the world? Is it just about making money?/ I suspect so. They are businesses and ultimately they will do whatever it takes to keep business viable. I think we need to consider where the power and control really lies - like in the Rupert Murdoch owned conglomerates that have an interest in maintaining the conservative, neo-liberal status quo.

Are women getting meaner as a reaction to feminism or have low soc. burb women always been like this?/ There have always been mean women around; just as there have always been mean men about - but I don't understand what you mean here Jewely - can you explain it a bit more fully?

Btw Jewely - why did u change ur name to Pied Piper?

CJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_off-field_incidents_involving_rugby_league_players